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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com> wrote in message 
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CIA-NSA has shills on the Usenet/Some are posing as "UFO Debunkers!"

CIA has shills on the Usenet/Some are posing as "UFO Debunkers!"

The Central Intelligence Agency has shills on usenet.  If they see
that you
post dissenting opinions you may find yourself getting little
"friendly"
notes seeking to establish a relationship with you.  Later you might
find offers from this person of "insider info" or some other such
thing.

Be careful!  They like nothing better than to entrap people
by getting you to ask for some classified information so they
can then bust you.

Another tack is outright threatening email by some "nut"
(often from an AOL or anon
account) telling you to shut up or else bad things will happen.

Other times the email will be more conciliatory, trying to
convince you that  it's a waste of time to show up the shills
on the newsgroups.

It's almost funny that people not on the net have
no idea the ideological games their government
plays on usenet.  It would be funny if it wasn't such a disgrace. : -
(

Some UFO debunkers have been shown to be affiliated
with the intelligence-community and they have  subsequently
been exposed by some excellent investigative work by
certain members of this newsgroup.  My deepest respect
goes out to these brave individuals who have flushed
out the "spooks" and humanity owes each and every one of
you a heart-felt thank-you!  Democracy and liberty are more
than just "ideas" to be talked about, they need to be
practiced on a daily basis, if they are to survive.
--------------------------
From: Lug...@Aardvark.com (Lugnut)
Subject: Re: CIA has shills on the Usenet/Some are posing as "UFO
Debunkers!"
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01
"Art Wholeflaffer"

<smcqu...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:

CIA has shills on the Usenet/Some are posing as "UFO Debunkers!"

The Central Intelligence Agency has shills on usenet.  If they see that 
you
post  dissenting opinions you may find yourself getting little "friendly" 
notes
seeking to establish a relationship with you.  Later you might find offers 
from

this person of  "insider info" or some other such thing.


Art, I agree with you, but perhaps not as to specific
agencies/groups represented. Also, the reasons for the obsession of
many "de-bunkers" with visiting believer NGs are many, although some
of the professionals paid to do so are often obvious even to us.

Engineering/science students, many participating in government
funded research projects, are constant visitors, and many of those
feel "obligated" to defend USam against what they feel are unjustified
and unprovoked attacks, often focusing on attacking the beliefs and
credibility of NG participants.

The older debunkers, apparently beneficiaries of an upper-class
education, a life devoted to government service (or at least a job
with direct ties to the government), friends still in the government,
and now retired and fetching government checks (SS, SSI, FERF, etc),
have that same steadfast devotion to the old Stars and Stripes that
lured them into the business in the first place.

I have a nephew who attended Yale on an astrophysics scholarship.
The government came recruiting one year, and he was approached. He
didn't fall for it. He now teaches k-12 school students, instead of
injecting school children with uranium.

Whether its part of their job description, or its just their way of
repaying the government for years of support, they're just doing what
is in their nature. Not all government loyalists carry FBI, IRS,
Secret Service, INS, etc. badges. Unfortunately, whether its 8 cops in
L.A., an FBI sniper in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, a USAF SP at Groom Lake,
Nevada, or an onsite-commander in Waco, Texas- they will not hesitate
to do whatever they feel they can get away with.

This is the result of a highly refined method used by the government
to find, recruit and promote those with a tendency to "do whatever
they are told to do".

A lot of the "static" many believers experience in non-skeptic NGs
is a result of this. I'm afraid it will be with us, even after the
people finally regain control of their government. Communism is still
alive and well in the former Soviet Republics. The "Preserve the

Present Government Structure at ALL cost" crowd will always be here,
even after we return the focus of our government to the welfare of the
people.

Perhaps, on that day, we can begin to do more about feeding,
clothing, housing and healing the populace, than worrying about
getting enough human test subjects for the next great experiment.

The scientific community is not big on issues of conscience, much
like the government. That is why they are so quick to jump into bed
together. A moral scientist is usually an unemployed scientist. There
ARE no moral politicians or bureaucrats. They don't exist.

I don't so much mind the government supporters, the human
experimentation supporters, secret R&D supporters, or even athletic
supporters in the believer NGs, because I respect the freedom of
expression, but I resent the fact that they are prepared to deny any
one of us the right to our very life, at any second, based on "orders"
from the high command or to further scientific research.

Trying to address the conscience aspect of any issue related to the
science/government/military love triangle with a debunker is like
trying to discuss birth control with the Pope. Can't be done.

Lugnut