| Subject: Re: I'd say it's obvious by now... |
| From: "Martin G. Diehl" <mdiehl@nac.net> |
| Date: 02/10/2003, 19:28 |
| Newsgroups: sci.astro.seti,alt.sci.seti |
[I intentionally added the newsgroup alt.sci.seti in order to
expand the review and commentary on these important questions]
Reason wrote:
If you do the math, the chance of finding intelligent life
by scanning the sky for radio signals is virtually impossible
for the following reasons:
The SETI@home project designers and administrators have never
made any guarantees about this search method. The scientific
purpose of this project is to _discover_ if this method works.
Radio is a crude and inefficient means of communication.
Broadcast signals to space is even more so.
Unproved assumption.
Point-to-point beaming would be much more efficient.
Not only is this assertion (or claim) an unproved assumption,
it is highly unlikely that this method could be employed
because it would require prearranged sender receiver pairs
at possibly galactic distances and therefore time frames on
the order of thousands to millions of years for setup and
also for message exchange. i.e. how could they pinpoint a
transmission direction to a distant system that they have
not yet observed optically?
Most organisms do not advertise their presence, except to
mate or warn predators. Neither would justify broadcasting
radio signals to space.
Again, an unproved assumption. Possibly even false ...
e.g. The neolithic monuments (standing stones, stone circles,
henges, passage mounds) were erected intentionally (designed
with a purpose). Many of them provide sun alignments
(solstices, equinoxes) that are still good over a span of up
to 7,000 years ago.
Those facts demonstrate a very strong intellectual capability
and achievement. The fact that they were built to such
precision with just human effort (no sophisticated machine or
tools exist in the archaeological record) indicates strong
ability to communicate and manage such projects.
Are they a communication? Yes, all art is communication.
They are also monuments to those peoples' intellectual
achievements. Can we "read" them?
Yes, to a limited extent -- eventually more.
Repeating elements in a datastream are inefficient.
False. Repeated elements WITH forward error correction would
be required for accurate communication at these distances.
Sophisticated data compression would resemble random noise
than anything else.
The SETI@home project is designed to test the conjecture that
an advanced civilization might announce its existence by
erecting and operating omnidirectional beacon(s). The 1.42GHz
band that is being observed in this project is one (just one)
of the logical meeting places -- sometimes called the
"watering hole."
BTW, my statements here are based on published discussions that
I read approximately 30 years ago.
The universe is vast in size but also in the scale of time.
Yes, that is true. It is because of that difficulty, we are
investigating the possibility of broadcast (not 2 way) messages
that were not prearranged.
The chance of us intercepting an intelligent signal in our
lifetimes, in our region of space, with the type of elements
we are looking for, would require many tiny windows to line
up. If you do the math, those tiny windows are never likely
to line up for us any time soon.
Also true ... but we have to start in order to finish ...
as opposed to stopping _before_ we start.
Thanks for your question ... I hope that you will review my
responses as carefully as I reviewed your statements.
--
Martin G. Diehl
Reality -- That which remains after you stop thinking
about it.
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