Subject: Re: How smart are SETI@homers?
From: Sander Vesik
Date: 18/05/2004, 23:50
Newsgroups: sci.astro.seti,alt.sci.seti,sci.space.policy

In sci.space.policy Rich <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:

We can't detect Earth mass planets yet, but all indications from planets
we *can* detect indicate there are more low mass ones than high mass
ones.

By low mass, you mean source means near jupiter's mass rather
than 5 or 8 times jupiter mass. It most assuredly does not mean
terrestrial mass. Nor do we see planetary systems for many stars,
not yet anyway.

I think you are conflating 'near jupiter mass' (a lower bound near
jupiter mass) with 'terrestrial mass' and that is not supported by
the data we have at all. Further, many of the detected planets are
jupiter mass planets at or near 1 AU. That's around where we need a
terrestrial planet for ET to exist. Most of the observed stars with
planets could not harbor a terrestrial planet where it would need
to be.

This is wrong in several different ways:

	* the habitable zone is not centered around 1 AU for all
	  stars
	* large moons of super-jupiters residing in habitable zones
	  are as likely to be hosts to life as terrestrial planets
	  in such zones
	* a super-jupiter with a saturn-style ring in habitable zone
	  would be *more* likely to host life than a terrestrial planet
	* most present considerations of habitable zone are overly 
	  biased by teh relative sizes and atmospheric contents of 
	  Venus and Mars
	* almost no consideration has been given to planets with 
	  Titan-style environments


This is not proof, but it's an extremely strong indication.

Not of the existence of terrestrial planets.

Interestingly, many of the things originally pegged as
planets have been found out to be brown dwarves, and are
now listed as 'not a planet'. And yet these occupy the
range from maybe 20 jupiter masses up. So in part we
have a label issue, we simply don't call em planets if
they are too massive, even if they are nowhere near being
stars.

Or maybe you are simply confused with the brown dwarf vs. planet thing?

-- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++