Subject: Re: Hmmm - a robust arguement?
From: puppet_sock@hotmail.com
Date: 14/10/2004, 21:10
Newsgroups: alt.astronomy,alt.sci.seti,sci.astro.seti,sci.physics

jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote in message news:<ckm2b8$ehk$1@mail.specsol.com>...
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If you posit an infinitely powerful god, he could blink the stars,
light, and dinosaur bones into existence at any time with any
characteristics he chooses.

So no, there is no possible argument other than such a being doesn't
exist or this god wouldn't do that, so you are back to belief.

This is generically known as "last Thursdayism" and has another more
official name of "Omphalism" that gets its name from a fancy term for
belly button.

It's an insidious notion. If you posit that the evidence of age
could have been created rather than actually grown that way through
the time it appears to have done, then you have a problem. How do
you know *you* existed last Thursday? Or yesterday? Or a half hour
ago? You *could* have been created with all those memories exactly
correct to make you *think* you existed in the past. If a deity could
and would fake such things as huge quantities of fossils, diverse
genetic information, etc. etc., then why couldn't such a deity fake
your own memory?

In fact, you don't even have to be continuous. Maybe it's easier for
a deity to let you exist on every alternate second leap year, and let
other entities have existence on some kind of time share. So, you might
exist for a second, then not exist for a few years, then exist again
for a second with only the memory of the years in between. How would
you ever possibly know? If an entity exists with the ability to create
light from stars that *APPEARS* billions of years old, and to do so
effectively instantly, why shouldn't such an entity be able to create
you with the memory of having existed a half hour ago?

The only real answer to such notions is: They don't belong in science
because they are not applicable to the jobs and tasks of science.
Because there isn't really any way to predict anything from them,
or test them. If you posit an arbitrarily powerful entity that can
do such tricks, then as long as that entity chooses not to let us
know about him, (or remember knowing about him) then there's not a
damn thing we can ever do with the notion.
Socks