Subject: Re: Hmmm - a robust arguement?
From: Imperishable Stars
Date: 17/10/2004, 21:01
Newsgroups: alt.astronomy,alt.sci.seti,sci.astro.seti,sci.physics



nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote

Imperishable Stars wrote:

Double-A wrote:


jhelfand@umd.edu (Joe) wrote in message news:<e62610ea.0410151401.21d54ba@posting.google.com>...


Hello everybody,

Last week I was wandering the shops during my office lunch break when
I was harassed by a religeous zealot selling magazines and CDS.

Feeling argumentative I asked him whether he was (1) a creationalist
and (2) a "Young Universe" creationalist - i.e. one who believes that
dinosaurs etc didnt exist and that the universe is about 4,500 years
old...

When he replied that, yes, he didnt believe in evolution, dinosaurs
(and women's rights I assume) I suggested that he was a little
misguided.

In evidence I said "how come you can see all of the stars at night
then? After all, many of them are clearly more than 4,500 light years
away?"

He told me that "astronomy is a souless science - they lie to you".

Hmmph. He was obviously a twat, but is my line of arguemnt sound -
i.e. that you can see (or even detect) stars more than say 10,000
lightyears away a robust argument against a "young" view of
creation/existance?

Cheers!

Rob
Sheffield

I can't go through all the posts to see if anybody has pointed this
out, but there are some attempts to reconcile this:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c005.html



This is easy to reconcile.  We know from SR and GR that the rate of
time flow varies, depending on your inertial frame.  High velocity and
gravity make clocks run slow.  Whose clock is right?

High velocity of matter encounters magnetic forces.  Any faster than
light travel must employ the use of multiple lines of magnetic force
with the use of photon color codes because there is a color code in
everything.  Phase shifting matter wave experiments by means of this
type of electromagnetic pulling is one possible solution to quantum
gravity results.


The universe could be only 6000 years old, if God has a slow clock!

Double-A

Gravity coexists with magnetic fields because it is a flatline to
pyramidal space (electromagnetic) but is such a long wavelength and
almost infinitely small that we can only see its influence in matter
waves.  When the two are combined we have the ability to move faster
than the speed of light because we will have tapped into gravity's
"magnetic moment" through time.  So the gravitational universe appears
almost flat.

Think of it as a human being wondering which person on the planet really
knows which way is "up".  LOL


nightbat

        How do you propose Imperishable Stars as a human body containing
mass to catch, combine, or merge, with that theoretical quantum faster
then light energy momentum train?


        the nightbat



It is pretty complicated stuff no doubt.  But suffice to say that any teleportation technology capable of instantly transfering billions of atoms and electrons will almost be indistinguishable from faster than light speed technology.  For to warp space and time by opening up wormholes is also to overcome immense gravitational and magnetic forces.  Mind you, this is only applicable with a technological means of space transport.