| Subject: Re: Interesting solution to the Fermi Paradox |
| From: "David Martel" <marte005@earthlink.net> |
| Date: 30/11/2004, 00:50 |
"Martin Andersen" <martin@al-data.dk> wrote in message
news:41ab7649$0$156$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
David Martel wrote:
Martin,
You lost me with the first sentence. What is an "advanced
civilization"? What is an "advanced technology"? When you start off from
undefined but cool sounding buzzwords it is easy to reason (badly) to
just about any conclusion.
Sorry about that. Yes, I haven't defined it.
Then please do so rather than ignoring these questions
In the book Kurtzweil
postulates the
law of accelerated returns, which states that technology will grow
exponentially
in complexity. We are currently at the point where the growth really takes
off, and
in maybe 30-50 years we will be this advanced civilization,
It is indeed possible that technology will change over the course of time
in ways that may be considered advancement. I see no reason to believe that
this will spur or even accompany an advance in civilization ( whatever that
is). It's not clear how or when in this advancement the state of "advanced"
occurs, either in advanced technology or advanced civilization
capable of
building
microscopic spaceships. This law could be valid for other civilizations
too. Hope that's more clear.
Sorry, but it's not clear at all.
I'm not sure of the relation to SETI which claims to be
searching for "intelligence" ( another undefined buzzword ).
Well, when giving a solution to something, it would be nice to confirm it
somehow. It's difficult to do here with undetectable spaceships. So in
order
to detect "intelligence" (an civilization capable of sending a radio
signal
towards earth is intelligent), the best we can do is to listen after some
signal.
I tend to agree that SETI is hampered by it's focus on radio waves but
the searchers are radio astronomers and radio is what they know.
This solution to the Fermi paradox suggests intelligent life
could be
common in the Galaxy.
You've completely lost me with this talk of a "solution". What has been
solved and by whom? I think Fermi believed that life and therefore
intelligent life should be common. He also believed that intelligent life
would try to get in touch with other intelligences. He then asked why this
hasn't happened. Obviously his conjectures on the commonness of life or the
behavior of intelligent life could be wrong and that would answer his
question. The solution you seem to offer is that intelligent life does not
attempt to communicate with humanity for some reason, This isn't really the
solution to the paradox, it's a hypothesis.
Of course if they only want to observe and gather
information, they will not send us a signal, but hopefully some will.
Or else we need to travel to the stars and observe, which we can in 30-50
years,
hopefully.
Does Kurzweil predict that we will reach another star within 50 years?
I'm not convinced of this but it's not my area of expertise.
Dave M.