On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:11:37 -0500, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtydeeds@dirtcheap.net> wrote:

"Puck Greenman" <dubh_ghall@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:08:06 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

Bullshit!

The only way to work under that kind of pressure is saturation, or containment, as in a
submarine type vehicle.

Prolonged saturation is out.

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Maximum record depth is 2000 feet in an "ADS" suit.

Maximum recorded depth with SCUBA is 1083 feet.

ADS suits are practical (on Earth), SCUBA is not.

However, nothing will work on Venus.  The ADS suit is
rugged but is not designed for chemical or heat resistance.
The denaturing of the proteins in the human body is an extreme
risk.  There is no practical way to support the suit (currently
operates like a tethered submersible).

SCUBA will be fatal instantly.

In fact, anything sent there dies.  Machine or biological.

Quite so.

He can't seem to understand the simplest concepts, like, a  bottle, compressed to 1300
psi, on the surface of Venus, is an empty bottle, as far as breathing from it is
concerned.

He has got dirigibles on the brain, and sees them, and some undefined, or at best, ill
defined, "composites", as the answer to everything.

The subject is a stupid "what if", anyway.  Sort of like the crap you
would hear from a 6 year old.

True enough, although I have known such "what if" debates, to actually come up with
workable solutions, on occasion.

BradGuth, OTOH, isn't interested in actually working out "How to", he leaves that in the
hands of that great mysterious, "They", and sees all references to the difficulties that
need to be addressed, as negativity.

One can only assume that from his POV, only morons worry about practicalities.