On Sep 20, 3:36 am, Puck Greenman <dubh_gh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Farther: Assuming that you could build it, what would you do with it?
Unlike yourself, I'd use logic along with my imagination, and
otherwise stick within the laws of physics.
So you don't actually know; Okay.
No disagreement?
You seem clearly unaware
of the payload hauling capacity of such a rigid airship.
I am very well aware of the capabilities of dirigibles.
I am also very well aware of the limitations, and one of the limitations is that they are
notoriously slow and unwieldy, even in the best of conditions.
Remote control, does nothing to help that lack of maneuverability .
Another is that no airship, will ever make orbit which still leaves you with the problem
of getting your treasures, back home.
Your personal rage and perpetual negativity are noted.
So now, pointing out your ignorance, and lack of thought is accounted "personal rage and
perpetual negativity"; You sound like a typical fanatic, no evidence, but you want it to
be so, therefore it must be so.
Good thing you
weren't Einstein, or any other great thinker, because we'd still be
living in caves and preying to various Gods that suit the Puck
Greenman mindset.
As to personal rage, just ask your self; Who is it that is hurling the insults and ad
homonym attacks about?
But never mind that.
I take it from this latest little insult attack, that you haven't actually given any
thought to getting your "treasures", into orbit
Prove me wrong, by giving us an example of something/anything that
you've accomplished that others said couldn't be done.
Evasion.
Prove your self right, give us measurements and calculations, name the materials that you
would use, to solve each problem, and explain how you would use them.
I've done this before, and consistently met with exactly your kind of
soft/stealth rage and otherwise the usual systematic gauntlet of
obfuscation and denial most every time. What's in it for me (other
than continued grief and astonishment at your profound level of
dumbfounded mindset) if I go through all the trouble for the hundredth
time?
Quit with the arm waving, the insults, and the vaguese, and give us details.
Details:
1) Unlike yourself (mainstream arms flying every which way), I don't
happen to know everything there is to know.
2) All the energy and raw elements necessary for technology and
humans surviving on Venus, form the most part already exist on Venus.
3) We have sufficient technology as is to accommodate our scientific
gathering and surface exploring via robotics.
4) The composite rigid airship notion is also a technology that's
within existing spec of what we can accomplish.
5) ... 99) ...
Explain how a dirigible is going to help you lift those ores, into orbit.
Are you planning on making it so big that you can land your transports, on it?
At first those composite rigid airships would be intended for small
payloads of observation technology, gathering data via remote science,
cruising rather efficiently from an altitude below the lower cloud
haze (say 20~25 km)
A manned rigid airship could be made as large and robust as need be,
hauling nearly unlimited crew and payload tonnage, perhaps including a
shuttle for their exiting away from Venus. This airship w/payload
should be capable of reaching 75<100 km. Otherwise a conventional fly-
by-rocket (TSTO) method of leaving the surface and exiting away from
Venus shouldn't be an insurmountable problem, except for those of us
stuck in perpetual naysay and denial.
Are any labs working on this, are any accredited scientists researching it?
Only in the most top secret (aka need-to-know), because the public is
not supposed to realize about what's already existing/coexisting on
Venus, and folks like yourself are otherwise deathly afraid to look
for yourselves.
Has anyone that we can reference, done any serious research into the
possibility/viability.
Why of course, our NASA and most likely part of our DARPA have, and
I've even posted such information multiple times. There's even a few
private/civilian insiders with Venus exploration intentions, along
with their own ideas as to the methods they intended to utilize, so
apparently I'm not the one an only crazy village idiot, as many have
suggested.
Ask NASA, or JPL, or someone who is liable to have some clue, what it would cost to lift a
thousand tonne payload, into orbit, and bring it back down again at a selected site.
NASA or JPL are each forbidden to say anything, much less contribute
public funded resources. Besides, due to their own incompetence and
internal corruption they've been bankrupted (secretly borrowing from
future budgets) for more than the past decade.
You are going to have to be doing ten or a hundred times this, on a daily basis.
Why would naysay morons like yourself bother with bulk ore(s), when
highly refined and/or finished products can be exported?
Another point that you seem to have missed, is the return on investment, angle.
I expect eventually seeing a return on investment of trillions per
year. How's that?
What's another nearby world that's nearly the size of Earth and has
everything of raw mineral and valuable elements (extensively more so
than Eden/Earth), worth these days?
Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is worthless? (sounds like
your are)
People who invest their money, do not expect to wait centuries, to see a return on their
investment, and that applies to the big corporations as well.
That's their loss, because the future is still going to happen no
matters how negative and obstructive the current generation tries to
make it their devout naysay and obfuscation policy.
Do a little research of your own, find out how much of each raw material, Earth's industry
consumes every day, and what it costs.
In order to make your project pay, you must be able to match that quantity, and do it at a
serious saving to industry.
To fund such a project, would probably take Earth's GDI, for the next century, or more.
Good freaking grief, you do realize that Venus every 19 months is only
a little more than hundred times as far away as our moon, don't you?
(that's seriously damn close, and if Venus wasn't already recorded as
a planet, it would have to be a NEO)
Telling us what a thing is worth, without telling us what it will cost to get it, is
pointless.
Anything that's not your idea to begin with is obviously "pointless",
not to mention anything that represents any possible threat to your
terrestrial mainstream status quo. You do know about our William Mook
(aka wizard of Oz) don't you, because you seems ro be reacting exactly
like a Mook clone.
Consider a thousand tonnes of unrefined gold bearing rock, assaying at... what... 1%; yes?
That is ten tonnes of gold.
Will the refined metal be valuable enough to absorb the costs of mining, transporting and
refining, and still show you a profit?
...Always assuming that they would allow you to import that much gold on a regular basis?
First of all, not that a toasty planet like Venus shouldn't have soft
and easily melted elements like gold nearly flowing out of its
geothermally heated hot rocks, and as much as humans like yourself
need to wear and show off their gold, it's kind of a worthless raw
element compared to dozens of other extremely valuable raw elements
that are either nearly exhausted or in extremely short supply and/or
too spendy to obtain as is.
Now you might call all this, "negativity", but, as I said, I am an engineer, and I know
from experience, my own and others, that without that "negativity", no safe structure
would or could be built, be it a mud hut by the river, or a mining complex on Venus.
Your insurmountable negativity and naysayism is noted, as is your
pretend-engineering.
Just a little curious as to what projects have your name associated
with their engineering?
This was an incomplete reply, but then you're an incomplete kind of
mindset that's stuck in naysay, denial and/or obfuscation mode
anyway. If need be I'll edit and resubmit this reply, so that its
more LeapFrog.
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