Lazar's Back-Engineering: A Fallacy [a.c.a51]

From: Ken MacGray 
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 18:54:06 -0800
Subject: Lazar's Back-Engineering: A Fallacy [a.c.a51]


Sorry I've been away from the list. I've been out of the loop for
awhile, due to an illness in the family. The following is a repost
from a.c.a51...  - Ken

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From: byrlip@enterprise.net (Adam Whaley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,
alt.conspiracy.area51,alt.mindcontrol
Subject: LAZAR'S BACK-ENGINEERING - A FALLACY
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:55:49 GMT

I have always been very uncomfortable with the spurious claims of Bob Lazar
and his reverse-engineered flying saucers during his alleged stint at Area
51. I would suspect that Mr Lazar is the victim of some sophisticated and
deliberate mind control programming hence his ability to pass lie detector
tests for instance. Many of those who have met him or heard him speak on
the lecture circuit, are impressed by his apparent sincerity, a marvel in
itself and I would contend that the claims of Mr Lazar (and incidentally,
Mr Streiber also - I'm still working on the whole "alien abduction"
fallacy), are another small piece in the Final Conspiracy jigsaw (repost on
request) and I will attempt to explain why:

As I have previously expressed; we are being fed a lie. A very sinister and
catastrophic lie. Dark forces are afoot to subtlety convince everybody of a
malign alien presence and when the time is right - BANG. A zap here and a
zap there and civilization will crumble within days. The panic generated
will ensure that all support structures will collapse, notably food and
water distribution, power and communications, and emergency services. At a
rough guess, 60-80% of the Western World will perish within four weeks.
Half of the remainder within three months.

The claims of Mr Lazar as postulated are just tenable enough to attract
attention without having either absolute proof or absolute disproof. This
conundrum is a common factor in many aspects of the UFO enigma and the
frequent attempts of researchers to pursue the illusive carrot in front of
the donkey is no coincidence.

I would contend that Lazar has been expertly programmed by the shadowy
figures behind the scenes with exactly the right mixture of fact and
fiction. His answers roll off the tongue like shit off a shovel. This is
stage hypnotism at its very best. It is telling that he rattles off
numerous explanations without the slightest notion of his own absurdity not
least of all the entire fallacy of "back-engineering". Obviously some
things can be back engineered, it is common practice with industrial
espionage in anything from designer dresses to captured fighter planes. The
important thing to remember is that any feasible back-engineering must have
a technological support structure without which it would be an impossible
exercise.

To make my point easier, imagine if the very best Victorian engineers were
handed a microchip, what could they do with it? Nothing! They would not
have the faintest idea what it was, was it did, where it came from, what it
was made from - zilch!. Even if the best team of microchip designers were
transported back in time along with their creation, they would not be able
to explain or demonstrate it to their Victorian counterparts. Their
explanations would seem like the ramblings of magicians - Gods even!
Without a complete supporting technology from the same time frame there is
absolutely no way that anybody throughout history could have
back-engineered anything from a future time frame. It is just not possible.
As for humans in the twentieth century back-engineering a flying saucer
from god knows where or when, it would be easier for a monkey to
back-engineer a toaster!

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Sweet dreams,

Adam.

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From: AKA {The Ghoul} <d..stanton@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,
alt.conspiracy.area51,alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: LAZAR'S BACK-ENGINEERING - A FALLACY
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:25:03 +0000

Adam Whaley wrote:

> To make my point easier, imagine if the very best Victorian engineers
> were handed a microchip, what could they do with it? Nothing! They
> would not have the faintest idea what it was, was it did, where it
> came from, what it was made from - zilch!. Even if the best team of
> microchip designers were transported back in time along with their
> creation, they would not be able to explain or demonstrate it to their
> Victorian counterparts. Their explanations would seem like the
> ramblings of magicians - Gods even! Without a complete supporting
> technology from the same time frame there is absolutely no way that
> anybody throughout history could have back-engineered anything from a
> future time frame. It is just not possible. As for humans in the
> twentieth century back-engineering a flying saucer from god knows
> where or when, it would be easier for a monkey to back-engineer a
> toaster!

I have to disagree with your analogy, if the microchip was inside of a
computer, say a battery powered laptop and they were able to first observe
it in use they may very well have been able to garner some technological
innovations from it. Victorians knew some electrical engineering, ie..
Faraday, Volta, Curie, Bell. They also had some ideas of machine logic
applications ie.. Babbage, player pianos, cotton loom intricate clocks. If
their best scientists where to disassemble the lap-top analysing and
recording as they did it could be used as a Rosetta Stone to interpet any
new inventions that come along and point to improvements that could be
made.

A spacecraft is it's own supporting technology. Think of a modern
commercial aircraft. It has its flight technology in its design as in wing
shape aerodynamics etc. It has electronics and computers. It has radios, it
has synthetic fabric in its seats, it has chemical toilets and a galley. It
has the luggage its passengers carry. The simple breakdown of all the
technology going into the craft is practically endless.

For the best example of how much can be learned from what would seem to be
very little I reccomend you spend some time with some archeologists. What
they pull from just simple finds is increadible. Placing Lazars claims in
that light I find most of them quite plausable.


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