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From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:47:27 -0800 |
VANDENBERG MULTIPLE WARHEAD TEST TOOK PLACE JUNE 30
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:18:30 +0000
From: [withheld by request]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: Ballistic Missile Defense Tests
I thought I'd pass this site on ... perhaps this is an explanation as to
the mysterious sightings recently over the Southwest. I understand
multiple warheads can give the appearance of a formation of ufos
http://www.dtic.dla.mil/defenselink/news/Jul1997/t07181997_t702bmdo.html
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HAWTHORNE AMMO DEPOT
From: [withheld]
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:36:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: USN Ammo Depot Hawthorne, Nv.
Was browsing some pages on your site. You have some pages pertaining to
Hawthorne, Nv. I spent a few months in Hawthorne, Nevada during 1973.
At that time the Viet Nam War was still in full swing. The Base there
at that time was a Naval Ammunitions Depot. Hawthorne was booming at
that time. Much going at the Base then, many bunkers, much security.
The replacement 16 inch gun barrels used on the New Jersey were stored
there, ready for shipment.
At time most people hung out at the El Capitain Casino.
I drove through Hawthorne eight years ago and I could not believe what
I saw. The place was like a ghost town, all closed up and only a small
detachment of the Army taking care of things.
The old Naval base there was so vast, I can not see how the gov is
going to write it off. Much stuff was and probably is still stored at
Hawthorne.
[See www.ufomind.com/military/base/us/nv/hawthorne/]
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AREA 51 NAME SPECULATION
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:38:32 -0700
From: Andreas von Retyi <andreas.von.retyi@blitz.de>
In a mail list message of Wed, 23 Oct 1996 (originator withheld)
there is some speculation on where that "51" may have come from. In
connection with what is said there, it might be interesting to note
that the year of 1951 marks the official inauguration of the AFFTC at
Edwards AFB (activated June 25, 1951). Because of the quite evident
relationship between DET 3/AFFTC, Pittman Station and Area 51 it seems
to be feasible to suppose that there is also a relationship between
the year when AFFTC came into existence and the number of the Groom
area. What do you think about this? In the book "EDWARDS AIR FORCE
BASE - Experimental Flight Test Center" written by Steve Pace
(Motorbooks International, 1994, ISBN 0-87938-869-2) one can find also
some info on the AFFTC (p.64).
By the way, it would be interesting to know how the USAF Yearbook 1997
(article by Bob Archer) came to the conclusion to connect AFFTC / DET
3 with Groom (p. 67).
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"AREA 51" TRADEMARK
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: On copyrighting a name
From: "James R. Graham" <jrg@world.std.com>
Awhile ago, there was some talk of attempts to copyright the name
Area51 the conclusion of which was that you can't do it. I just heard
on ABC News that a US business, Montana Knits, when applying for a
trademark for their name, were legally opposed by a FRENCH fashion
designer, Claude Montana (think that's his real name?), whose line of
clothing is called "The State of Claude Montana". It will be
interesting to see what precedences the ruling will set. Maybe soon
we'll have to change the name of this mailing list...
[This is a case where a geographical name is applied to a specific
kind of merchandise (clothing) to denote its unique style
characteristics. It is different from putting "Montana" on a T-shirt,
coffee mug or other generic merchandise, filing a trademark
application and saying you own the name. Common sense and legal
precedence says the latter won't work. --GC]
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X-33 LAUNCH SITE AT EDWARDS
From: "Kinzelman, Paul" <kinzelman_paul@NTOS.tandem.com>
Subject: RE: AREA 51: X-33 Environmental Report Now Available
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:44:49 -0700
I just went on a tour of Edward's last Friday (the NASA tour is 2x
daily) and they pointed out that construction is starting for the
launch site for the X33 soon and pointed to the northeast.
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SOMETHING COOKING AT BEALE?
From: [withheld]
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 01:06:37 -0700
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Thought you would like to know.
I find your site very interesting and informing. I live in Northern
California near Beale Air Force Base. Anyway, my reason for E-Mailing
you is because something is definitely going on at Beale AFB, I just
don't know what. Beale is a semi-isolated base out in a rural area.
Every so often, quite often lately, they keep the control tower open all
night and turn the bases lights of and do not allow any aircraft to
land. I learned of this because my father works in the nearby approach
control and they notify approach when they do this. I know it's not as
interesting as Area 51 but I thought maybe something Top Secret was
going on there. Thought you'd like to know.
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CYNICAL VIEW OF ROSWELL
[Reply to Campbell's Roswell report posted to the list]
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:34:10 -0700
From: Chris Toussaint <c2saint@mail.telis.org>
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Cynical, cynical, cynical
Pretty cynical view of the Roswell event. Surely you wouldn't expect the
sophistication of Las Vegas or New York in this homespun Americana event
attended by lots of families? Too bad you didn't attend the lectures,
but your cynical mind would have probably trashed that as well. I was
there at Roswell and my experience was quite different as you shall see
in an upcoming documentary "Roswell: 50 Years Later" that I am
directing. I guess like Jodie Foster's character in "Contact" says to
her cynical higher-up, Drummond, "I always thought we get out of life
what we make of it?"
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ROSWELL 50TH WAS RUBBISH
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:19:05 -0500
To: campbell@ufomind.com
From: telder@pclink.com
Subject: Roswell 97
I just read your report on the recent Roswell 50th etc etc. I must
concur: it was rubbish. I did attend a couple of the lectures,
nothing new as you suspected. I did get into the much-ballyhooed
"press conference" (since when did people start charging to attend
press conferences?) for free as some kind soul gave me his extra
ticket for no readily apparent reason. It sounded intriguing until I
realized it was Derrel Sims and co. You're lucky you were only there
for 20 hours. I was wise enough to leave before the weekend onslaught
of the great unwashed. I went on to Hollywood for a couple days and
was mildly amazed to find that the denizens of that particular psychic
cesspool seemed positively centered by comparison. Pretty sad eh?
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CNN WEBSITE ON GROOM LAWSUIT
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:01:10 -0800
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
Old news on the hazardous waste lawsuit can be found on a new
CNN page at:
http://cnn.com/CNN/Programs/americanedge/program/area51/
The recent "American Edge" piece on Area 51 appears to be a re-run
of a segment filmed about three years ago for a CNN environmental
program.
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UFOMIND: HELL OF A RESOURCE
From: LarryN1121@aol.com
Reply-To: LarryN1121@aol.com
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Hell of a resource!
I have been interested in UFOs since 1957 ( ? ) when the Sputnik scared
the U.S. to death, and I was 8 years old..Since then I have studied it
with great interest, and have tried to separate the crap from the
possibly real. Your web site is excellent. I know it took a lot of work,
but believe me it is well appreciated. I especially liked the part about
all the lies some folks have told about their educational and work
experience. Someone once said if you can lie about small things, why
believe anything else a person says.. Keep up the good work!
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
Anonymous comment regarding www.ufomind.com/area51/
From: FOFF
Glenn! You\re the most descent guy out there. Some day I might tell
you the great secrets of our base. Keep on digging!
Next flight is on Aug 2nd, 0900 local time.
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CORSO A GENIUS
From: J.MENTOR@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:46:04 -0700
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: TOM MAHOOD ARTICLE ON CORSO
CORSO IS A GENIUS, I, STUPIDLY PAID 24.00 FOR HIS BOOK TOO, BET HE IS
LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. I, DO MEAN THE WORD "GENIUS" AS A
JOKE, CORSO REALLY KNOWS WHAT WILL SELL IN THE USA MARKET, AND HIS
TIMING IS GOOD. THANK ALLMIGHTY GOD THAT HE WAS NEVER PUT IN CHARGE OF
ANYTHING BUT A PILE OF PAPER IN AN OFFICE.
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HUFF WEB UPDATE PROMISED ON LIARS MAHOOD & CAMPBELL
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Lazar web site, banzainet
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:45:44 GMT
I see after lots and lots of constant web updates as promised by Gene
Huff (i.e. after three months of no change) they've finally added a
bit. And the addition? A section on liars, mentioning Glenn Campbell
and Tom Mahood in the title. Actually that's all there is - a title.
That page is under construction.
Nice to see Huff/Lazar enter civilized debate again...
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On http://www.banzai-net.com/tridot/s4.htm ...
"Campbell & Mahood, paid liars? (Disinformation or outright lies?)"
On http://www.banzai-net.com/tridot/liars.htm ...
"Campbell / Mahood & other liars"
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RACHEL LANDING
From: deltaa@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:35:22 -0500 (CDT)
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Hello, My girlfriend (Stephanie) my dog (Cessna) and I (Tracy) flew
to Rachael on July 5th this year and landed on highway 375. Pat and
Joe are Awesome people, and especially Connie and Ray who acted as if
they knew us for years treated us like family we loved these people!
Rachael is an Awesome Place. Thanx, Tracy
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Attached was a photo of their Cessna in front of the Little A'Le'Inn.
Planes often land on the highway, although it is supposed to be
illegal.... If only the rest of Rachel got the same reception at the
Inn. They're only nice to people they don't know. --GC
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HOW-TO REQUESTED
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 20:01:47 1300
From: [Withheld]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: security
I would like to sneak into the area 51 research grounds even if
it means death, is it possible? and if i succeed with photos
will i get paid.If so how do i get in?
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BEABLE TO LEAVE?
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: no subject
From: "Rob Johnson" <cyber1969@hotmail.com>
the information that you are selling is not at all true what so
ever... the books you have only have false information in which the
airforce (area51) was ordered to make, that is the documents that are
in those books were written to hide the truth from the public. but if
you worked there you would get the truth and not lies, but you would
not beable to leave that is a fact not a lie. area51 does not have
ufo's or contain alien crafts or alien beings
please right back if you have any questions regarding this information.
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IDEA OF THE WEEK
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:56:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kevin McCarthy" <Big_Mac_@msn.com>
If you really want to find out if there is really an Area 51, I say
you get a lot of people (like 200,000) and raid the place.
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AREA 51 MOVED TO UTAH!
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Buitron <rokemit@oneimage.com>
Comments to: http://www.ufomind.com/index.shtml
In a recent issue of Popular Mechanics an article stated that Area 51
was being ramped down while the new site for USFA Skunk works was to
be located at Area 6413 in UTAH. They gave some very good evidence to
support the claim. Why have none of the UFO WEB sites come up to
speed on this? I saw the issue at a dentist's office so I don't have
the article here with me; but I'm sure one of you guys can contact
Popular Mechanics and get the details.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:18:04 -0500
From: [withheld]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: UFO's and AREA-51 and s-4
i have been trying so hard to find area 51 things and this is a very
good place . ever since area 51 was moved to utah their website @
:www.area-51.com their server has been down . i have a ? why do they try
to hide aliens? do they have ships to fly around ?
how are they controlled?
please respond !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:12:30 -0400
From: [withheld]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: did u know
ok...maybe u read the popular mechanics magazine about area51 moving
to utah something like that. and i supose u heard about the arizona
insodent with the ufo flying over pheonix. if u hadn't u should. i
belive there is a connection. the government isn't saying anything
about it either. since arizona iaa south of utah the "new area51" they
could have been flying an experimental aircraft, like the one listed
in the popular mechanics magazine. a V shaped object is what were
described in both. i don't know just thought i might tell u. i like
your site by the way.
ps: the popular mechanics magazine issue is june 1997
write back with your reply please thanks
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From: Mochiba@aol.com (Dave)
subject: Area 51 Movement
Comment posted to: www.ufomind.com/area51/comment/
Rumor has it that Area 51 has moved to White Sands, Utah. It is now
supposedly Area6413. If anyone can give me any info or feedback on
this topic I'd love to hear it. AOL users: I reccomend Keyword: Area
51. I thank you for so closely monitoring the site.
[That's right, it's moved to White Sands, Utah. I believe it now,
I really do. --GC]
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Created: Jul 25, 1997