MISC: Heavy aircraft, GS Levels, etc. [20 msgs]

From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:42:35 -0800
Subject: MISC: Heavy aircraft, GS Levels, etc. [20 msgs]


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Glenn

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"HEAVY" AIRCRAFT

[In response to earlier posts regarding "heavy" possibly used
for 727 "Con Air" prisoner flights.]

Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:43:04 -0800
From: [withheld]
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Use of the term Heavy in an aircraft callsign

I am a former Air Traffic Controller and would like to clear up the
slight confusion on the use of the term "Heavy" in aircraft call
signs.  You are correct with regard to the turbulence as a large heavy
aircraft will obviously cause more wake turbulence than a little
aircraft.  One of the other concerns for the heavy designation is
taxiways and runways.  300,000 lbs plus requires a bit more
reinforcement of pavement and many airports have areas that can handle
this weight and areas that cannot.  It is part of the controllers job
to keep heavys off the areas that are not stressed for that kind of
weight.  In my experience I have never seen a 727 designated as heavy.
DC10, L-1011, DC-8, 747, 707,767,Airbus310 are the most prevalent
"heavys".  300,000lbs is a lot of plane/cargo.

Contrary to what a military person had to say, There is only one
seperation standard for aircraft. Heavys cause more turbulence and
when they are in low and close to airports they get more "respect"
from controllers and small aircraft but in IFR (instrument flight
rules) conditions you give the same sepeartion between two Cessna
150's as you give two 747's period.

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GS LEVELS NOT RELATED TO CLEARANCES

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re: Gov't Projects "Wilder Than Your Imagination"
From: Dan Zinngrabe <quellish@macconnect.com>

>From: [withheld]
>
>I wrote you late last fall about procurement/DFAS and finding out "what"
>is bought for Area 51. I no longer work for the Army, but reading the
>post from May 9, concerning Area 51 being beyond our wildest
>imagination, I noticed a comment in there that raised some questions in
>my mind. It stated a "clearance of GS 15". Now maybe I am reading it or
>misunderstanding it, but GS 15 refers to the level of seniority....

Mr. Withheld is correct. GS (government service) level are based on
seniority and pay grade. GS 15 would be above General, if I recall
correctly. A person's GS status has nothing at all to do with their
security clearance. I know Machinist's Mates that have higher
clearances than Admirals, for instance - wildly different GS numbers,
and inversely proportional clearances. Basically clearance and pay
grade are independant functions.

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FLYING MAGAZINE ARTICLE ON TRIANGULAR CRAFT

Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FLYING Magazine Article
From: "Richard Harder" <RESQ@netcom.ca>

Check out page 29 of the June 1997 Flying magazine for an brief clip
about sightings of a mysterious flying triangular shaped airplane in
England.

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COSMIC SNOWBALLS

Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: BaDge <baj7d@avery.med.virginia.edu>

This article deals with the possibility of seeding of life from
non-terrestrial sources.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/frompost/features/may97/snowball.htm

[A similar article appears in the 5/31 issue of Science News (p 332).
Satellite infrared photos suggest that a huge number of large
water-laden "snowballs" are striking earth, but apparently not the
moon. -- GC]

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INTEL PROCESSOR CODE NAMES

From: Rich Thomson <rthomson@ptc.com>
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Re: Intel using alien technology etc. [4 msgs]
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:24:26 -0600

> Subject: Re: Re: Intel using alien technology etc.
> From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>

> . it is true that Intel is developing its processors under code names.
> Recent ones were Klamath and Merced. Mutant would fit in here. The writer
> must at least have knowledge about Intel policy in this regard.

No, it wouldn't fit in here as all of Intel's processor code names are
river names.  Klamath River, Merced River, etc.

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TTR SLIGHT OF HAND?

Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 23:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Slight of hand?
From: "Walter Callahan" <hrc@lvdi.net>

This is my first visit to your site and I admire its professional
appearance.  I just wanted to pose a question.  Ever since the Air Force
supposedly closed down TTR, there has been a lot of attention thrown at
Groom Lake, Area 51, Green River etc. but absolutely nothing about TTR.
How convenient.  The magician doing a trick draws your attention to one
hand all the while it's the other hand you should be watching.

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LEAVE WORKERS ALONE

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:50:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Harass A51 employees merely to salve curiosity?
From: "Ian Kennedy" <IanKen_ms@msn.com>

I've been reading these posts suggesting Glenn is an elitist dork
for not tracking down the folks getting off the Janet flights.
I've read posts speculating on how to do this and in what manner
these people should be approached. It sickens me.

These people are working stiffs like the rest of us. They're
aerospace workers who would lose their jobs just for talking to
you pathetic get-a-lifers. They need to work, support their
family and generally live like the rest of us. To even consider
jeopardizing their careers to answer some dumb-ass ufo-geek
questions is truly reprehensible. Leave these people alone; their
lives are hard enough already.

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PRESCOTT, ARIZONA, SIGHTING

From: [withheld]
To: <webmaster@ufomind.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:51:09 -0700

Hello! I'm grateful to have stumbled across your web site.In the fall of
1995 we observed either a UFO or some kind of military testing. It was
around Thanksgiving... we have a house in Prescott AZ out in Williamson
Valley. We have a magnificent view from the porch and the master bedroom.
It was bout 3:00am when I saw what looked like a star doing repeated
patterns. It was in the direction of Kingman. I also observed this the next
night as well along with 3 witnesses outside on the porch in the early
evening. The patterns were up & back, to the side & back, then made
circles. I have had encounters before but I wasn't sure about this one. I
had heard at that time that the Kingman area was going to become like Area
51. Is this true and if so what is the location I might check out when I go
back in a few months???

[I wrote back that it was hard to imagine any secret actitivities around
Kingman.  The area is pretty open. --GC]

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GREEN RIVER COMPLEX

From: RGates8254@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:41:15 -0400 (EDT)
To: skywatch@mail.phoenix.net
cc: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Re: Skywatch: AUFORA: Glenn Campbell on Area 51

I too was surprised that the writer did not check into this in
any great depth -- probably did it between trips to the Xcaliber
buffet.  Had he checked, he would have found that Pershing
missiles were flight tested from the following locations: near
Boise Idaho, Green River UT (the infamous alleged new area-51,
Blanding - black mesa (southern Utah), and near 4 corners (Ft
Wingate?), with the warheads landing on the White Sands missile
range.  Nothing secret, just more old military bases in various
states of decomposure/mothballing.

[Is he insinuating something about Vegas buffets? --GC]

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TWO ROCKS RANCH AT FOUR CORNERS

Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:02 -0500
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
From: [Withheld]
Subject: MR. C.

I appreciate your site and the pyramid thing you put up...
Keep watching Glenn, for the days will get shorter. Satanic and racist,
sexist, these
names belong to our government.
Im an e3 in army here at ft hood texas...
Half the people in the underground dont know the future...they may know the
past...
but not all of it im sure.
Ive had expriences that were on the edge of wrong in the army.
And they all happened with high up type people.
Yes, that place at 4 corners does exist.
It was once known as two rocks ranch...a very well known place...not in
fiction i assure you.
Hang tight...

Hold to Christ, for he is the only answer.

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AREA 51 VS. ROSWELL BASE

Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Area 51 & Rosewell
From: Poison_Ivy@webtv.net (Lauren Eanes)

I think the air base Area 51 is up and running. I mean the goverment
tells the nation about how thw are redecerating the white house or
somthing crazy like that, yet when people go on tours or do the
reaserch they find out the money was used on something else!!! I and
many others notice it does not take $10,000.99 to replace a chiped
toliet seat. Also does anybody notice that the money has been
disapering since the Area 51 report?!?!?!

I think Rosewell is not up and running because you don't here it
mention enough. I mean on "DARK SKIES" they only mentioned Area 51
same thing with ID4, Independence Day. And I believe that the reason
people talk and watch on TV about Area 51 is because the think it is
up and running unlike Rosewell. I say the goverment is hideing
something in Area 51, and all the mobo jobo about secert agents that
risk their lives to tell the world about UFOS.That is some idiots
dream. If a little green man or a 100 foot tall bug the goverment IS
hideing something from the nation!!!!!

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AREA 51 TOURS

Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 17:05:56 -0500
From: [Withheld]
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Area 51

Who would I contact to tour Area 51? I understand that this is possible.

Also, Do you know anything about Temporal Transmission Research Project?
Would you know where this is taking place?

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From:   [withheld]
To:     area51rc@aol.com
Date: 97-06-10 17:26:08 EDT

do you have alien bodies in your posession at this time? please email me
as soon as you can!

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Subject: TOP SECET
From: [withheld]@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT)

HI I
THINK YOU SHOULD TELL EVERY
ONE ABOUT THE SHIP  AND THE ALIEN THAT IS MISSING THE LEFTARM.PLEASE
WIRTE BACK.

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Subject: Homepage
From: [withheld]
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 21:44:29 +0200

Hello my name is N@hawk and I have also a Area 51 and UFO Homepage! I
true interests your page at me to leaves, if you will make it so, too!

thanks and mail back!!

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HEINOUS ELECTROMAGNETIC EXPERIMENTS

[Comment sent by "DASH" regarding http://www.ufomind.com/org]

Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
To: webmaster@ufomind.com

 ----- User Online Comment -----

The Governments of this Earth have filled the air with electromagnetic
pulses and are enbarking on a folly of controlled experiments to test
the reaction of people to different band widths of from 4 HZ upwards.
They have tested successfully on numerous occasions the reaction of
certain groups of people,the results of testing these ultrasonic
wavelenths vary from passive behavior to one of confussion and panic
or even anger. Example, Professor Vladimir Gavreau of France's Centre
National de la Recherche Scientifique,found that after a defective
ventilator in the building his working made his workmates sick
literally with its niose, he began to make experiments on the efects
of such noises. To his astonishment he found that 'hidden' infrasounds
can produce fatigue, dizziness, nausea and irritation and can help
cause allergies and even nervous breakdowns. Could it be that this
type of work is being carried out in installation such as these, as
well as UFO TECHNOLOGY?

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HOLOGRAPHIC MOUNTAIN

Subj:    Supposed Holographic Mountain
Date:    97-06-05 22:37:40 EDT
From:    [withheld]

About a year ago, my dad was talking to someone who had gotten fired
from Area 51.  The man told my dad how they were using UFO information
to build new military aircraft and he also told him about a supposed
crash.  He told him that an F-16 was flying when all of a sudden, when
it was supposed to have crashed, it dissapeared "into" the mountain.
There were six witnesses in that crash from Rachel.  I would like to
know if you know anything about this.  Answer me soon.

[That's about 6% of the Rachel population.  I haven't heard of it
myself.  All the jets that crash around here crash real hard. -- GC]

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SEAN MORTON'S FINANCIAL PREDICTIONS

PAGE        : http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/morton/
EMAIL       : mayan@been-there.com
NAME        : Richard Brunson
TITLE       : Morton Prediction Coming True...?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:47:32 -0400 (EDT)

 ----- Comment posted to page -----

In Nov. 1996, I attended a lecture by SDM. Among other predictions, he
said the stock market would break 8000 by Spring 1997 and then bottom
out. I found it hard to believe since stocks were around 6200 at the
time. However, as of June 13, 1997, the Dow Jones was almost to 7800
points! To all Morton's detractors, I ask how well their predictions
have fared?

[If he's so good, why ain't he rich?  --GC]

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POPULAR MECHANICS GARAGE PLANS REQUESTED

From: [Withheld]
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:35:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: garage plans

I am looking for the plans of the two car garage with a loft.  I am
unable to find this in my back issues of Popular Mechanics that I
have.  It would have been at least 1 year ago.  This issue contained a
copy of floor plan, a list of materials, and estimated cost.  I would
like to order the blue prints.

Any information you can send me about how to order this set of plans
and the cost of plans would be appreciated.

Thank You