Another Scientist Reveals UFO Secrets

From: Ken MacGray 
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 18:59:34 -0500
Subject: Another Scientist Reveals UFO Secrets

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From: "Dr. Richard X. Frager" <naretres@aracnet.com>
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Another Scientist Reveals UFO Secrets//At least 9 Alien Craft at Area-51

Virtually every UFO researcher on the planet is familiar with the name of
Robert Lazar, who claimed to have worked on projects that consisted
primarily
of 'back-engineering' alien craft while based at the super-secret Area 51
in Nevada, USA.  As usual, opinion has been divided as to the credibility
of
his story.  But now, another scientist has come forward who pretty much
confirms most of Lazar's story, and goes a lot further.

Dr. Michael Wolf, Emeritus of New England Institute for Advanced
Research,
Member of the New York Academy of Science, and Patron Member of the
American Association for the Advancement of Science, has decided to go
public with his knowledge of alien contact, abduction experiences and
technology.  Now in his 50's, Dr. Wolf is dying from a degenerative
spinal
condition, and wishes the truth about UFOs to be known.

When American UFO researcher James Courant, in a taped interview,
asked Dr. Wolf why he was going public with this information at this
time, he replied:  "I'm going public at this time for the people.  I've
been
encouraged by people in the government.  You know, there's a whole new
generation of bureaucrats now; they're younger.  The older people are
retiring--I wouldn't say dying off, but technically they are retiring and
they're out of business.  A lot of young people come in and are saying,
"Why does our government have to keep lying?"

During the interview, Dr. Wolf told of working as a security consultant
for the National Security Council, and also of working at Area 51 as a
Team Leader, in terms of scientific teams trying to 'back-engineer' alien
technology.  When pressed for specifics on the number of alien ships,
etc.
Dr. Wolf replied: "Well, I think we have nine or more...not in working
condition,
not to mention the pieces of one we've had.  But I've always wondered a
very
basic question, which no one has really been able to answer, and that is
"Have
they deliberately given us this technology, to see what we're going to do
with it?  Is it a test?"  The crashed ships and dead bodies--are they
waiting for the day, if it hasn't occurred already, that we're going to
combine human and alien DNA and try a hybrid of our own?

Courant invited Dr. Wolf to comment on Bob Dean's claim to have seen
an "Assessment" classified Cosmic Top Secret, and Wolf's own claim
to have seen the same document" "You saw the similar 'Assessment"
documents that Bob Dean saw?" asked Courant.  "NATO Assessments,
Blue Border Reports--yes, I did," replied Dr. Wolf, and added: "Bob
wasn't
too far off the mark.  I did see some 'interrupts' of the governments--
which, don't forget, makes its own copies of UFO films...they go around,
videotapes...and I had people who would send me copies of those tapes.
I saw five minutes of Bob Dean at a MUFON [Mutual UFO Network]
conference;
and I looked at it and I said 'I want to find out more about this guy'
because
what he'd read, I'd read,  What he was talking about--I had read the same
thing."

Dr. Wolf insisted that the US Government "...has had relations with
aliens,
whether you want to call them informal treaties or real treaties.  I
don't
know what the alien understanding of that is, but I'm sure if they were
trading technology for abducting a few people to take sperm or eggs...
I think that was more than a few."  "Is the treaty just done with one
group
of aliens?" asked Courant.  "No,"  said Dr. Wolf, "I think it was done
with
several.  I know the Nordics are pretty much involved with the Greys,
but I nave never met a Grey I didn't like.  But the fact is that the only
Greys
I have ever come into contact with, have dolphin-like skin and
personalities
to match...physical effects are just like the dolphins, they want to be
touched and cared about."

"But there are people writing books about their traumatic kidnappings and
abductions," argued Courant.  "Well," replied Dr. Wolf, "you have got to
understand and put yourself in the place of the first-time abductee.  It
is a
shock.  You are being exposed to a world that you don't know even exists;
everything is, if you'll pardon the pun, 'alien' to you.  You're suddenly
separated from your comfortable existence where you know most of the
things that are going to happen to you.  Here, it's a situation where you
have no idea what's going to happen next.  Of course it is going to
induce
post-traumatic stress disorder.  There are 35,000-40,000 starving
children a day dying on this planet and there are a lot of Hollywood
stars and a lot of other people who are very, very concerned with what
we're doing to this planet, and what we're doing to the children who are
the hope and future of the world.  Which is why I'm going public...I've
offered a well-written book, a good book, and all the proceeds go to a
children's charity.  I'm not making a nickel," said Dr. Wolf.

The book mentioned above is titled "The Catchers of Heaven"
Reprinted from UFO Magazine UK--Nov/Dec 1996  and
Nexus Feb/March 1997

Bob Lazar caused a sensation in 1989 with the claim that he had been
involved in a super-secret government project to study the propulsion
system of an alien spacecraft held by the military at a facility called
S4
near Groom Lake, Nevada.  He first appeared as a black silhouette labeled
"Dennis" on a Las Vegas television news program in the spring of 1989,
then came forward undisguised as the star attraction in a nine-part
special
report, "UFOs: The Best Evidence," anchored by Las Vegas newsman
George Knapp for CBS affiliate KLAS-TV Channel 8 in October of the year.
Knapp stated on the air that he thought Lazar was telling the truth.
Later, in UFO magazine, Knapp emphasized that Lazar's story has stayed
consistent from the beginning, that he had worked for Los Alamos
National Laboratory as claimed, and that a recently-acquired W-2
form showed he had also worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence,
his alleged employer on the alien project.

Bob Lazar:  As for going out to S4, I originally didn't even know there
was
an S4.  I thought I was going to be at Area 51, where an awful lot of
projects
are done, including a lot of the black projects such as the SR-71 and so
forth.  In fact, I know of several people who worked at Area 51, so I
didn't think it was going to be any extremely secret project, anything
along the lines of the alien technology.  In fact, the way I learned
there
was an S4 was the first time I got out there.  We landed at Area 51, and
moments later we got on a bus and started driving and driving.  And I
realized, gee, I don't work at Area 51.  Then, about fifteen miles south
of
there, I was told that S4 was the designation.  In any case, I went out
there because I thought I'd be involved in an interesting project.

Question: Did you have any sense during the time you were there that
this research was being conducted with any kind of cooperative
agreement with aliens?

Lazar:  There's a possibility of it, if one document I read was true.
Now, I have no reason to suspect it was disinformation or untrue anyway,
but there was reference in it to an incident.  At one time, there was
apparently some exchange of information between living aliens and
either scientists or engineers, whoever was working on the craft;  and
there was apparently a conflict at the time.  That, I believe, was in
1978 or '79.
In either case, the document did go into a brief explanation.  I don't
know if
it was really even an information exchange, but the document claimed that
there were living aliens working on something there, and I can only
assume that there was an interaction.  If this is true, that brings to
light the possibility that maybe the craft was given to us.  Maybe it
was not a crash retrieval.  But it also brings up other questions: How
come
they haven't returned?  Why isn't this continuing today?  Why is the S4
project there to begin with?  Why should we have to back-engineer
something if we were given it?  They didn't give us the instruction book
on how to operate the craft, the technical specifications or whatever.

Question:  You said you read in the document room some rather strange
references to human evolution and the aliens' role in human genetics.
How did that come up, in what context.  What was it you saw?

Lazar: I hate to repeat this stuff.  I say this every time I mention it,
because I have no other proof that it's true, other than the fact that
I read it; and I always follow that up by saying, yes, everything I read
about the propulsion system turned out to be fact.  But it's really
far-fetched, and even though I did work with alien technology on flying
saucers, I still find it difficult to come to grips with the physical
alien
thing in itself.  But as far as where that come from, yes, there was a
book
that was almost like a history of the development of the human race.  It
was written from a different point of view.  I don't think that
particular
thing had a title to it.  But that's where we were referred to as
"containers."
Any time the word "human" came up, it was always replaced with the
word "containers."  Earth was referred to as Sol 3 instead of earth.
It was a strangely written report.

Question:  The book you're referring too--are you saying this book was of
alien origin?

Lazar:  I'll tell you exactly how it looked.  It was certainly odd, in
that it
was written from another point of view.  It was like a history book of
us,
like someone had been looking at the earth and written a brief history of
what had happened, and how everything living here looked, so on and so
forth.
If you remember the old Collier's Encyclopedias, in the section on
anatomy
they had the clear pages that you could turn, and there's the circulatory
system, the organs, and so forth.  OK.  This was one of the most
fascinating things in the briefings, other than the information itself.
As you turned the page--it would be a picture of, for instance, an
adobe house--and as you moved the page up, you'd see though the
different levels of the house, almost like those little 3-D things you
bend and see different views, but it was very smooth and clear, much
higher resolution.  I'd just never seen anything like that.  I don't know
if it actually exists anywhere, or if we're talking about something of
alien origin, but as you turn the page, you can see the superstructure,
and then down to the wood itself, then the foundation.  It was
fascinating.
That's how all the illustrations were.  There again, there were no
references to people.  Everything was "containers."

Question:  What was your attitude about extraterrestrials before you got
involved with this program?

Lazar:  I was the greatest skeptic of all time.  I just thought it was
ridiculous.
Now I always look back at that, because I remember, though I had nothing
to
stand on....It just shows me how close-minded I was.  And you continue to
fight it along the way, too.  The day I got off the bus at S4 and walked
into the hangar, and as soon as I saw the edge of the sport model, the
edge of the craft, it was kind of an overwhelming feeling.  But
immediately
I thought, this explains all the UFO stuff.

Question:  How about genetic hybridization?

Lazar:  The only mention of anything genetic in relation to humans
was that there were apparently 65, or maybe 63, instances of what
they called externally corrected evolution--65 or 63 genetic
alteration made along the development of the human race.

From "UFOs and the Alien Presence: Six Viewpoints" by
Michael Lindemann.  Generally regarded as one of the top books in the
UFO field and one of the top ten books about the alien presence of all
time.
ISBN# 0-9630104-0-9


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