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From: Ken MacGray <ken@vvcs.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:48:29 -0800 |
[Possibly by Gene Huff] From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.ufo.reports,alt.paranet.ufo, alt.conspiracy.area51 Subject: Fwd: Friedman's lies about Lazar Date: 10 Oct 1997 18:24:52 +0200 >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> > >>I wonder why some people have an emotional and angry reaction >>against him. i have never hears any argument against him that held >>up. > >Sorry but the facts are clear. There is no evidence that any of Bob's >claims are true and much that they are not. MIT and Cal Tech never >heard of him. He did take some courses at Pierce Junior College in So. >Calif at the same time he was supposedly going to MIT near Boston. He >didn't work for Los Alamos, he worked for a subcontractor. He finished >in the bottom 3rd of his high school class, graduating in August not >June, having taken only one science course, chemistry . He could never >have been admitted to MIT or Cal Tech. > >How is it that Patricia knows he has made no money from his videos, >the Testor model etc? His 115 scheme won't work. The stuff would be >radioactive, he couldn't have obtained any. ad nauseum ad nauseum. A >diploma or 2 would have been nice sometime in the last 8 years?? The >prof he said would recall him from CIT, never taught there, only at >Pierce. Response from tridot: You aren't talking to Bob Lazar or Gene Huff, but we can answer that question for you. You have to understand some of the politics involved here. Stanton Friedman has degenerated in recent years and has quite a chip on his shoulder. If stories like that of Lazar are true, no one wants to see an aging, bloated, windbag like Friedman standing around holding blacked out Freedom of Information Act documents or talking about an individual UFO sighting somewhere else in the world. The people want the real information and Friedman doesn't have any. When California changed it's funding for public education back in the 80s, it abruptly halted Friedman's career as a speaker on the college and junior college circuit. His entire income was dependent on that and when it stopped, he moved to Canada. Ask him. The point is that he has a lot more to lose than most when the attention gets focused away from him. Bob Lazar is running from the attention and Stanton Friedman is running to it. There's a big difference. Friedman wrote and entire book about a UFO crash at Corona and it never happened! His main informant turned out to be completely unreliable and admitted that he was a fraud. Do you think Friedman wants to talk about that? Now we'll specifically address some of Friedman's allegations. Lazar was the first to come out and say that some of his educational background had been deleted. Bob Lazar never attended any of the universities on an ongoing, year after year basis, going to football games and running for student body president. He was a nerd who moved around the country because of his parents. He had to petition for his diplomas. Friedman's information about when and where Lazar went to school was taken from some erroneous internet info, not from Lazar. Bob Lazar graduated from high school in August alright, a year early. He was in a special program for the smart kids and studied electronics and things of that sort. Bob Lazar graduated from Tresper Clark High School on Long Island in New York. They say they never spoke to Friedman and that he fabricated that whole story. Now just in case you'd like to confirm that, why don't you personally take it upon yourself to call that high school and try and get records on Bob Lazar. You'll find that they won't release any records without written, notorized permission from the individual in question. Friedman was so desperate that he lied. It is possible that Bob would be in a lower part of his class if they segregated his general education grades from his technical grades. Bob is not one to dwell on English Lit, Poli Sci, and mundane things of that sort, nor would he try to excel in those subjects. The reason Friedman brings up that Bob worked for a sub-contractor at Los Alamos is because Friedman lost an old argument and he won't let it die. When Bob Lazar first surfaced, Friedman called Los Alamos and asked if they had any records on Lazar. They said no. Friedman released a world wide statement on his own letterhead stating that Lazar was a total fraud and had never worked at Los Alamos. Then Gene Huff and George Knapp sent Friedman all of the information on Lazar and it showed that Bob had worked for Kirk-Meyer, a large sub-contractor at Los Alamos, and Friedman had to eat crow. He now made a world wide release, on his own letterhead, and in it he then changed his story and said that Bob Lazar worked AT Los Alamos, not FOR Los Alamos, implying that he was still right. Friedman could not produce one shred of evidence that anyone had ever said that Bob Lazar worked FOR Los Alamos as opposed to AT Los Alamos, but Friedman just hates to admit that he's wrong. In case you don't know, a lot of work at major facilities is done by sub-contractors who use the facilities for their own purposes. In his next release, Friedman said that Lazar never had a security clearance because the Meson Physics Facility, where Lazar worked, was not a classified facility. Well, Friedman is right that, generally speaking, it is not a classified facility, but periodically, classified work is done there. George Knapp had interviewed people who worked with Lazar when they had clearance and they confirmed that Lazar had clearance. Gene Huff asked Friedman if he'd like to bet $1,000 that no classified work had ever been done at the Meson Physics facility and Friedman backed down. When Friedman talks about whether 115 is real or not, it's important for you to know that he, nor anyone else who wasn't in the program at S4, knows that. Currently the Lab for Heavy Ion Research at Darmstadt, Germany has plans to fuse Curium with Calcium to achieve element 116 which they anticipate will then decay in a chain of unknown nuclides and identify the island of stability. However, you need to understand that creating an atom of something which will only exist for a short time does not allow scientists to learn much about it qualitatively or quanitatively. They need to have a "chunk" if it massive enough to allow them to experiment with it and they are far from achieving that. The element 115 at S4 was kept under neutron bombardment when it was at rest to help it remain stable. It was activated by proton bombardment. Friedman knows nothing about any of this and is just blowing smoke because he's jealous of Lazar. In his most recent book, Friedman claims that Lazar says he stole some 115 from S4 and brought it home with him. Lazar never said that and Friedman didn't as much as make a phone call to confirm whether he did or didn't. Friedman lied about Lazar in his book. It seems that Friedman has fallen on some trying financial times and can no longer be trusted. That's unfortunate as he's been out there touting ufology for two decades, instead of getting a real job, and he used to be a trustworthy character when it came to the government covering all of this up. His degeneration is blatant and sad. Too bad for ufology and too bad for Friedman. Friedman needs to heed his following advice. >Please get facts in hand before putting word processor in gear. >Stan Friedman We hope this helps you, and feel free to post this wherever you like.
Index: Bob Lazar Index: Stanton Friedman
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Created: Oct 11, 1997