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From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 07:10:33 -0800 |
OFFICIAL U-2 HISTORY MENTIONS GROOM LAKE
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:54:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: USAF acknowledging Groom Lake ?
From: "Michael J. Poirier" <mpoirier@cruzio.com>
Can this be correct? An OFFICIAL USAF site acknowledging Groom Lake?
Starting with the 24 JUL 1955 entry at
http://www.beale.af.mil/aircraft/u2tl1950.htm and several more dates
afterwards.
Now this is not a new revelation of information, and we know its
origin, but I thought the USAF had a policy of "neither confirm or
deny" answers. This seems to deviate from the official line.
[This site gives a detailed history of the U-2.]
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FRANCIS GARY POWERS AT AREA 51
From: [withheld]@prodigy.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:30:37, -0500
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: new info
in desert rat 5 it described the food at groom lake to be extravagent
and expensive, and also said that it wasn't confirmed, and could just
be the exaggerations of a disgruntled former employee.
it can be confirmed.
Francis Gary Powers, the u-2 pilot shot down over russia in 1960,
wrote a book in1970 that has information on that subject. He wrote
that his u-2 flight training was conducted
at "watertown strip" which he said was a secret base in nevada, and
had portable trailer housing accomidations like the type at groom
lake. he also refered to this base as "the ranch" and said that the
only way in was through shuttle flights. although he never said that
this base was groom lake, we now know it was, because all lockheed's
early testing on the u-2, and pilot training were done at groom lake
in the mid fiftys, and because that was why the base was originally
built. He said "there was an excellent mess" and described the food
as "exceptional by any standard". i think this proves that the
personell inside area 51are eating better than most other people in
nevada.
[Does anyone know the name of Power's book? -- GC]
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FAKE STRIEBER WROTE COMMENTS ON LAZAR
From: Steven L Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Whitley Strieber (?) on Bob Lazar [a.c.a51]
> [Note: The identity has not been verified, and screen names are easily
> created on AOL.]
> From: whstrieber@aol.com (WhStrieber)
> Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51
> Subject: Re: I HAVE BOB LAZAR FIGURED OUT
> Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:13:22 GMT
Unless he has just recently changed it, the above is not Strieber's AOL
address . I did run a check on 'WhStrieber", and it came back as no profile .
Strieber's original AOL address still returns with his profile .
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Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:03:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: BDLiddicoa@aol.com
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: For the next issue...
I'm a private pilot and attorney in San Francisco. Later this fall I
plan to visit Las Vegas and fly the "Sunday Circle" around Groom Lake,
taking advantage of the fact that the surrounding Restricted Areas go
offline on Sundays. This is rather a long flight, with little in the
way of visual landmarks. If anyone has done this route or has some
advice, please post it to the Skunk Works or email me. Write me if
you're interested in coming along, manning a camera, and sharing the
costs.
Brian D. Liddicoat
San Francisco
[Any pilot interesting in this route can contact tmahood@ibm.net or
will@escape.com, who have made the flight. -- GC]
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AF REGULATIONS ON USE OF DEADLY FORCE
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:07:03 -0500
From: [Withheld by request]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: Deadly Force Instructions
For your info and the gentleman looking for USAF AFI 31-101, you can
download an official copy in PDF (Portable Document Format) from the
following URL:
http://afmc.wpafb.af.mil/pdl/af/i/31series/31_101v1/31-101v1.pdf
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LICENSE PLATES OF CAMMO DUDE VEHICLES
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:36:38 -0700
From: "Michael J. Poirier" <mpoirier@cruzio.com>
Reply-To: mpoirier@cruzio.com
Subject: Re: AREA 51: License plates
So, the question is, what budget area is designated by plates that
begin "93B..." ?? There has to be some agency that coordinates Gov't
license plates so that they don't have duplicates in different
agencies.
I've made the same observation: that some agencies have their own
plate system. I've also noticed that Gov't plates are related to their
agency in some way: E - Energy, D - Defense, I - Interior (includes
BLM), A - Agriculture (includes USFS), T - Treasury, etc.... (I know,
you said the same thing!) But AAFES (Army-Air Force Exchange Service)
has their own plate system, as does each branch of the military. So it
is important whether it was a "USAF" plate or a "US Government" plate.
Would they all be coordinated by GSA or only within their own
agencies?
I don't have these answers, but I think plates can be a good, albeit
obscure, clue to the cammo dudes' benefactors.
[The cammo dude plates are stenciled, not embossed, and they do not
conform to standard U.S. Gov't conventions. (Perhaps it is consistent
with the markings on other military equipment like tanks.) I'm
guessing, but the first two digits could be the year that the vehicle
was put in service. --GC]
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A RACHEL VISIT
[From Skunk Works list via phraesius@rfhsm.ac.uk, around 23 Aug 1997]
Should anyone on this list ever get a chance to visit Rachel, Nevada
(as my new bride and I did on Tuesday) I strongly suggest you stop by
the A'Le'Inn.
Located just to the north of the "infamous Area 51", it's a fun place,
to be sure, complete with employees and residents from the local area
who'll delight in talking your ears off about the area. Much fun.
BTW, during our trek westbound across the desert to get to Rachel we
noticed an aircraft way off in the distance that was flying very low
and very fast. Just as I was about to stop and get a better look with
the binoculars there was an incredible roar, the truck rocked back and
forth and dust was flying everywhere! I'm not going to mention the
type of aircraft that buzzed us since one never knows if perhaps that
pilot's boss might be reading this (something about FARs). But I do
hope word gets back to the pilot that we wished he'd done it again.
It was great! :-) In fact, it was the second best part of the
honeymoon. ;-)
Patrick Wiggins, Hansen Planetarium, SLC, UT, USA
email: w@apeleon.net
WWW: web.state.ut.us/bbs/space
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RESPONSE TO SMITTY
Re: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/aug/a14-002.shtml
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:14:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Smitty's irrational slander
From: Michael McCann <ufologik@usa.net>
>[I have no idea who Mike Smith is or how I offended him. -- Glenn]
I have no idea why he's such a jerk. Basically, you have a great style
and I believe most of the stuff you say because it makes sense and
doesn't conflict with previous statements. I'm sure many others would
agree with me.
This statement comes about because smitty said something about you
working with Klass. Although I'm about to alienate about half of the
ufo field, I respect Phil Klass, he's a good debunker and keeps us on
our toes. Any rational Researcher knows that ufo means unknown, not
alien, if someone believes so strongly in Alien life that it clouds
their judgement they should leave the field and go read tabloids. This
means you Smitty.
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UFO BE LIVER
From: Luvrbrad2@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:27:42 -0400 (EDT)
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: in respose
could i get some info. on that reverse speeh project of yours,and
also how to reverse my tape deck?
thanks
ufo beliver
[I think he is confusing me with Smitty, who has posted messages to
a.c.a51 regarding this technology. --GC]
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ANOTHER BE LIVER
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 01:11:18 -0400 (EDT)
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/
From: confedential <andrew@tdl.com>
clinton is so lazy he didnt bother to check where all this money is
going hell for all he knows it could be going to a save the monkeys
foundation I hapen to know there is a living ALEIN on earth.no realy I
am not a freak quack loony or other wise mentaly unbalenced person.
its true.
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CLARIFICATION REQUESTED
From: "Scott Huff" <shuff@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Misc: Kistler, Bullhead City Sighting, etc. [13 msgs]
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:03 -0500
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:07:09 -0400
> From: [withheld]@aol.com
> To: campbell@ufomind.com
> Subject: keep up te goo work
>
> I believe in UFos and outher paranormal activities. I also believe that
> the government has or has knowledge of aliens and their transportational
> devices. Why the government is holding back information is beyond me.
> Hopefully, in the future we will find out. I have come up with a list
> of several plans to get into area 51, Groom lake base and other highly
> classified sites.
>
> 1.) I will register for the amerd forces and become a sentry or high
> ranking officer at one of tese sites. Being able to get u all of the
> necessary informationyou request.
>
> 2.) A risky idea is to gather a mass of people, and we could get news
> people an all sorts of media, and we could storm the gates down. The
> government can't stop us because we are on land that "does not exsist".
>
> What do you think?
I think I need an explanation of "outher", "transportational", "amerd
forces", "tese sites", and "does not exsist". Other than that, keep up
"te goo work"! P.S. Is your name Jethro?
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THE UFO PHENOMENA IS TURE
Subj: ?s
Date: 97-08-13 22:38:45 EDT
From: Citron77@aol.com
To: Area51RC@aol.com
how do u know so much about area 51?
and do u know who said this quote: "the ufo phenomenon is ture" if u do
please tell me
thank u
[There is a misspelling here. I think he means "turd", not "ture".
In that case the speaker could be one of many well-known
scientists. -- GC]
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Created: Sep 7, 1997