01 - "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF M - All this rubish! & national security 02 - campbell@ufomind.com (Gl - Miscelaneous Responses 03 - campbell@ufomind.com (Gl - Major Van Staveren's Bad Spelling 04 - "Kurt Jonach" <Jonach@msn - It's Clobberin' Time! Area 51 in the Fantastic Four 05 - campbell@ufomind.com (Gl - Re: Mt. Stirling Report [a.c.a51] 06 - campbell@ufomind.com (Gl - Bright Light Seen Near Beatty, NV, Oct. 1981 Index
From: "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret." <regiment@cris.com> Subject: All this rubish! & national security Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 20:19:50 -0800 Good evening, Reading all of this hype about 51' makes me split my sides, so what! That base and landing strip have been there for years I myself have bunkered out of a tin hut and sleeping sack in that old dusty strip. So you think they have UFOs out there do you, well so what if they do it's none of our business sticking our noses into the A-Forces land and property, any fella who has cruised the daylight skies in high alt. will tell you the same thing, Cant talk about what I saw cause CO says its a matter of national security. And that is where I say happy huntin' to ya all, D.R. Van Staveren USAF Mjr. Ret. Message #1
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Subject: Miscelaneous Responses Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:43:54 -0700 Responses to "Major Staveren".... :On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret. wrote: : :> Good evening, :> :> Reading all of this hype about 51' makes me split my sides, so what! :> That base and landing strip have been there for years I myself have :> bunkered out of a tin hut and sleeping sack in that old dusty strip. :> So you think they have UFOs out there do you, well so what if they do :> it's none of our business sticking our noses into the A-Forces land :> and property, any fella who has cruised the daylight skies in high :> alt. will tell you the same thing, :> :> Cant talk about what I saw cause CO says its a matter of national :> security. And that is where I say happy huntin' to ya all, :> :> D.R. Van Staveren :> USAF Mjr. Ret. :> From: Rob Quagliozzi <root@robq> X-Sender: root@robq.dircon.co.uk To: "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret." <regiment@cris.com> cc: area51@lists.best.com Subject: Re: AREA 51: All this rubish! & national security Is this guy for real? Ha Ha..... --------------- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:28:34 -0400 To: "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret." <regiment@cris.com> From: mayor@tiac.net (Ken MacGray) Subject: Re: AREA 51: All this rubish! & national security Hm. Now we just need to verify this person's identity. Why would someone so skeptical subscribe to this list? Can you say "troll"? --------------- From: Glenn He sounds like "Ed Anger" of the Weekly World News. Also reminds me of "Col. Steve Wilson, USAF Ret.," who I understand has recently returned from the dead. >From now on, I want to be known as "Maj. Gen. Glenn Campbell, USAF Ret." I served proudly in Vietnam, Korea & WWII, worked security at '51 and other bases YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. I am a tae kwondo 8th degree black belt master, ran missions for the CIA into Cambodia and Nicaragua and was once licensed to kill by Her Majesty's Secret Service. You people are dirt! --------------- A German correspondent responds to a query.... >Ah, Fingerhut! I've always been suspicious of that company. >I've never found _anything_ worth buying in their catalog, so >how do they support themselves? And what does the name mean - >Fingerhut? >Clearly more research is needed. >GC Hi Mr.GC, well Fingerhut is a german word...it stands for a tool which you need if you fix i.e your yeans!! greetings [Ah, that explains it. A fingerhut fixes your yeans! -- GC] --------------- Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:01:24 -0400 To: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) From: Brentley Smith <bsmith@zippynet.com> Subject: Re: AREA 51: Hungarian Leaders Meet With Lockheed Martin [a.c.a51] [snip] > >BUDAPEST, HUNGARY -- Government officials in Hungary have wrapped up >a two-day conference with Lockheed Martin officials on DISC >acquisition strategies aimed at addressing the issues associated >with modernizing the Hungarian Home GET Design. > [snip] I'm not familliar with the acronyms DISC and GET. Do you know what they stand for? Any guidance would be much appreciated! Thanks, Brentley --------------- From: Glenn J-2 says "GET" means "Gray Extraterrestrial" and he says it is the term used by the government program. As far as I know "DISC" is not an acronym. "Disc" is J-2's preferred spelling, not "disk." It simply refers to a flying saucer. Capitalizing the word is a peculiarity of J-2's, which suggests that the author of the article is someone who has had contact with him. (Although J-2 is on the net, the article is not his. It is not his style.) +------ U F O M I N D -------+ | Glenn Campbell campbell@ufomind.com | | AREA 51 RESEARCH CENTER - Las Vegas & Rachel, Nevada | | UFOs - Gov't Secrets - Philosophy - Psychology | | http://www.ufomind.com Box 448, Rachel, NV 89001 | +------------------------------------------------------+ Message #2
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Subject: Major Van Staveren's Bad Spelling Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:05:36 -0700 In response to the message posted by "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret.", a _real_ Air Force Captain writes: "It's unlikely that Mr Staveren was in the Air Force since no one in the Air Force uses Mjr. as an abbreviation. MAJ is the actual abbreviation. Since, as a Major he would have certainly used this abbreviation many times in correspondance and so on, I can't believe he'd start using Mjr after retiring. And not to be too picky, but he got this wrong too: His title should read: MAJ, USAF (ret.)" ------------------- Another correspondent, Dustin M <hi-fi@geocities.com>, says he got this cryptic message from the Major: :Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:52:21 -0800 :From: "D.R. VAN STAVEREN USAF MJR. Ret." <regiment@cris.com> :Reply-To: DVansta479@aol.com :Organization: PENTAGON 5 :X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) :MIME-Version: 1.0 :To: hi-fi@geocities.com :Subject: Re: AREA 51: All this rubish! & national security : :Listen young man if you think that by not giving out my name and :associated e-mail certain folks with certain vested interests aint :gonna find out who you are?????? : :I am 76 years old and pokin fun at what you fellas take really :seriously, I am amused to say the least... : :Hows this: : :DVS...... : :Take good care...... ------------------- On the internet, anyone can claim to be anyone they want. Yet even here it is hard to keep up the charade for very long. Eventually, something in your words or how you use them will give you away. Respectfully, Maj. Gen. Glenn Campbell, USAF (Ret.) Message #3
From: "Kurt Jonach" <Jonach@msn.com> Subject: It's Clobberin' Time! Area 51 in the Fantastic Four Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 20:56:14 UT It may interest readers of this newsletter to know just how pervasively Area 51 has penetrated pop culture. The November issue of the Fantastic Four (Volume 2, #1) from Marvel, a rebirth of the famous comic book heroes, features two panels on Area 51. In typical comic book style the names of places have been invented or altered. A news reporter standing in front of a desert mountain range speaks earnestly into the handy-cam: "Good evening. This is Colleen Chang reporting for American Tabloid from the area known only as Sector 52 located outside of Central City. "For the past several months, stories have been circulating amongst the locals that this place is a major focal point of UFO activity, allegedly tied to a secret military base hidden somewhere within this mountainous terrain. "In fact, many conspiracy theorists are convinced that a clandestine government agency is, in fact, preparing to make contact with alien life. "Ironically, their claims happen to coincide with the recent news of a stellar anomaly discovered by astronomers just outside of our own solar system –" The next page pictures Ben Grimm, a.k.a. the Thing, racing through the desert in a jeep. Sad to say, he didn't run into a Cammo Dude. Shucks! -kj Message #4
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Subject: Re: Mt. Stirling Report [a.c.a51] Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:52:47 -0700 [Posted to a.c.a51 ins response to Mahood's sightin of a building in Nye Canyon just south of Papoose Lake.] From: EBE <waspman@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51 Subject: Re: Mt. Stirling Report Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:28:01 -0700 Tom, As You know I worked at the test site - close to this area - before the cult crowd got on the net. This could verywell be one of the buildings I worked out of. We were always placed away from everyone else because of the "HOT" materials we used. The building struck home with me as you described its location. We were buzzed anatomicaly by test aircraft from the base. TWEEZER FACILITY If this is the correct structure it should have a large overhead door on the West side. An entry/exit mandoor on the South side and North side / (you couldn't have viewed the North side from your location.) It would also have a "Bomb Shelter" built from earth materials about 100 yds. to the SouthEast. The building and project area was designated for dissarming UXB's, hence, "Tweezers" back in the 60's. WBU Message #5
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Subject: Bright Light Seen Near Beatty, NV, Oct. 1981 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:39:45 -0700 I got a call just now from Jay Hutchings of Ithaca, NY, who says he saw an extremely bright light emanating from the "Test Site" in the middle of the night in mid-Oct. 1981 near Beatty, NV. This coincides with a previous report I had heard about a motorist seeing an extremely bright light from US-95 near Goldfield. Hutchings says he was hitchhiking from Las Vegas to Lake Tahoe along US-95 in mid-Oct. 1981. He describes it as the "worse trip of his life." Rides were not good; local were unfriendly and the night was cold. He had camped near a turn-out just north of Beatty. The cold woke him up, and this is why he happened to be looking up at the sky at about 3 am. The sky was clear and there was no moon, so there were plenty of stars to see. Suddenly, an "intensely white" flash lit the entire sky. It was like a camera flash but much, much brighter. He expected the flash to be followed by a huge noise or shock wave of some kind, but there wasn't any. It was hard to tell where the flash came from, but he knew it was far away. The flash came from behind distant hills. Looking at a road map today, Hutchings says he thinks the flash came from the general direction of Pahute Mesa (i.e. northeast of Beatty. Pahute Mesa just happens to be marked on his map). He was extremely impressed with the intensity of the flash. He calls it the "big light." He says it was so bright "it made the stars go away." It was a diffuse light that "filled every line of my vision," not concentrated like a laser beam. It spread evenly over the entire sky. Since the flash was only momentary, he couldn't obtain much more information. It may have been a Friday-Saturday night. The fact that there was no moon might help fix the date. He guesses that the temperature was in the 40s. (My guess is lower, since people tend to over-estimate desert temperatures at night.) He guesses that the time was around 3am, but he didn't have a watch so he doesn't know for sure. He had got a ride to Beatty and had walked from there to the northern outskirts of town. Near a hill, there was a turn-out with trash barrels and picnic table(s). Just up the road was a sign that said "Test Your Brakes." (He knows this, because some drunks in a pickup slammed on their brakes here as a joke.) He camped near the turn-out, without a campfire so as to not attract attention. (As he did not regard this as a friendly part of the world.) Although he is not on-line himself, Hutchings knew about me from surfing the net in a public library. This report reminds me of a similar one from a person (or couple) who told me they were driving at night on US-95 somewhere near Goldfield when the sky lit up "as bright as day." They, too, were impressed with the intensity of the light. They think their sighting took place in the late 70s, but they were unclear enough on the date that it could have been 1981. They were driving very late at night in a remote area, and the light came from far away on the range side of the road (east of US-95). It was about 2 years ago that I received this report, and I don't remember who these people were. I may have a record of it somewhere, but haven't found it yet. Speculation: The extremely bright light could be a military device specifically designed to throw off huge amounts of light, perhaps to blind troops. Or it could be a side effect of some other kind of testing or accident. It wouldn't seem to be a nuclear test, since this would be odd for 3am in the morning, and all blasts went underground long before 1981. Anyone with relevant data is encouraged to post it to this list. Glenn +------ U F O M I N D -------+ | Glenn Campbell campbell@ufomind.com | | AREA 51 RESEARCH CENTER - Las Vegas & Rachel, Nevada | | UFOs - Gov't Secrets - Philosophy - Psychology | | http://www.ufomind.com Box 448, Rachel, NV 89001 | +------------------------------------------------------+ Message #6
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