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From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:22:19 -0800 |
Interview with possible Roswell witness on 07 January 1993
by H.E. Puthoff, Institute of Advanced Studies, Austin, TX
Note: The name of this witness was withheld at the request of the person
himself because he doesn't want to be known as a "whistleblower:"
Interview took place at a location which was an hour and a-half south of
Austin Texas on 07 January 1993.
This is being reported in light of Corso's book, "The Day After Roswell",
Pocket Books, 1997.
The following is his story:
In 1947 he was only 18 years old, and not in the military. He was a pilot,
however, having started his flying career a couple of years earlier. (His
aviation career was in evidence every- where; his farm has several
airplanes in various stages of repair; there are newspaper articles about
his aviation involve- ment in scrapbooks; there are old photos of him at
various points of his life with aircraft of vintage; etc). At the time he
had been hired to survey some surrounding area (looking for the "Lost
Dutchman" mine for a client) and had been flying in the area for days.
Flying over what eventually became known as the Roswell crash site or even
the Plains of San Agustin, reflections from metal scattered around a field
caught his eye, he thought he saw some bodies and assumed he had come upon
an airplane crash. (He was flying a TaylorCraft L2). He circled around and
landed in a nearby field and walked toward a rancher's house ("Mac"
Brazel??) and told him of the apparent crash. He, the rancher, and the
rancher's young son (Bill Brazel??) started out for the site, and he then
told the father of the bodies, at which point they turned around and took
the son back to the ranch before returning to the site.
He said material was scattered all over, although there was enough of the
front end of the craft intact that he could tell that it was "egg-shaped,"
with the pointed end of the egg pointing in the forward direction. There
were three bodies (all dead) in what was left of the front end of the
craft. The bodies were small (about 4'), with oversize heads, no hair, and
large black eyes with no pupils. He said he pulled back an eyelid to see
if there was a white as in ours, but found that, although it was lighter
colored, there were no "white of the eyes." Their clothing was
elastic-like (he pulled it at the neck and it snapped back); no buttons or
zippers. When I asked about skin color he said it reminded him of some
American Indian coloring which has a slight blue to it. He said he thought
at the time that coloring might have been due to lack of oxygen or
somesuch; that is, he wasn't sure this was their natural coloring.
Something which impressed him profoundly about the craft was its plainness
on the inside. There was no food, no toilet, only a bench seat, and no
buttons, levers, or instrumentation. There was, however, part of the wall
which jutted out like a smoothly-connected table which had a slight
discoloration to it, and several simple symbols on it, and above it a
slightly discolored part of the wall. Later in life when he saw touch-
screen computers, he thought that perhaps that was what he was seeing, but
of course he would not recognize it at the time.
Although no wiring was seen, hanging from the sheared-off sections of the
craft's wall were thick plastic-like threads, which again at the time were
unrecognizable, but which he would now say were like optical fibers. They
could not be broken by hand, but could be cut. There seemed to be a
"wiring" path of these threads between the roof of the craft, down through
the wall, and to a set of six coffee-cup-sized, gyroscope-like devices,
evenly-spaced around the floor of the craft, at wall's edge, which were
mounted in gimbals that could rock in all directions. Six "threads" came
to each mount, with two continuing on to the movable element. On the roof
of the craft there was a slight discoloration area with a row of dots, and
a symbol beside each dot. He likened it to a solar panel. (Microwave beam
pickup "rectenna"?)
As far as the structure was concerned, he stated that the walls appeared
to be a porcelain-like material, one inch thick, with 0.020" (20 mil)
metal foil on both the inside and outside. However, the material,
including the "porcelain" was so light it seemed to hardly have any weight
at all. He also said that the metal could not be torn or burnt, and when
deformed return to its original shape. ( It could be bent about like a
1/16th- inch steel plate). He found it amazing that, even when placed in
a vice, it would not show any scratch or surface marks at all after being
worked.
At some point others showed up to take command of the situation. When he
said that he wanted to go home, they told him he would have to stay around
until at least the next day. At some point the next day he was surrounded
and harassed about what he saw until he said that he simply wished to be
left out of it, and as far as he was concerned, he didn't see anything and
just wanted to go home, at which point they let him go stressing the
secrecy of the situation.
When I asked him about his personal, psychological response to the event,
he said, first, that he felt like he was watching his life from a far
hill, it all seemed so unreal to him, until the authorities brought him
back to his senses with their questioning. Secondly, he had feelings of
deep regret, the way one would if one comes upon the scene of a massive
accident and knows there is nothing that he can do to help. He also
mentioned that he spent some time at the Roswell hangar where they were
putting the material into a C-54 for shipment somewhere, and saw the three
bodies laid out on a blanket by the door.
EVALUATION:
With regard to some technical features: Assuming the porcelain- like
substance to be a dielectric material, this coupled with the inner and
outer metallic coating could constitute a large capacitor which could
passively store a fair amount of electrical energy. In addition, the light
weight would appear to constitute something similar to the new
aerogel-like substances presently being developed, in which case negative
buoyancy (weight) could be minimized to the point that the craft
characteristics might approach those of a rigid dirigible. Such features
in combination could optimize efficiency.
H. E. Puthoff
COMMENTS:
The main purpose of reporting this at this time is because of the
similarities between this report and what is written in Corso's book on
Roswell plus there are similarities with what is written in the Mj-12 Docs
as well.
MUFON I understand also did an interview with this source in and around
the same time frame but to my knowledge there has never been any follow-up
to check the veracity of this source by anyone.
Index: Roswell Testimony
Index: Hal Puthoff
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Created: Jul 26, 1997