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From: "Tim Matthews" <matthews@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:19:15 -0800 |
> http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/oct/m10-024.shtml > > Summary: > > In this interview with Linda Moulton Howe, a claimed government > insider (anonymous, of course) says that he was exposed to alien > information while working for the Army and CIA between 1957 and > 1960. He claims... > > 1) He visited Area 51 in 1958 and, in an underground facility, saw > recovered flying saucers and a single live alien. He also says he > saw U-2s and the SR-71 Blackbird at Area 51 (in 1958?). > > 2) He saw the recently released "alien autopsy" film back in 1957. Howe's "witness" certainly didn't see an SR-71 at Groom Lake in 1958...... You cannot take Howe seriously - esp. since her involvement with Doty. This is all a fairly pathetic attempt to shore up the rapidly failing recovered alien technology school of disinformation. After all, as Debra Carlson (whose husband Frank really did work at 'The Facility', Papoose Lake, between 1960 and 1962 on man-made discs using radial-flow turbines designed in part by Dr. Richard Miethe) tells us in her testimony the Pentagon did nothing to discourage the plethora of alien-saucer imagery that emerged in the 1950s..... Initially the alien story might have been a temporary coping strategy that proved difficult to move away from later on..... Regarding Papoose Lake, between 1960 and 1962 when Carlson - a former USAF Master Sergeant who died in the late 1980s - was there the security was not overbearing although on several occasions his wife Debra claims that he was away for months at a time - something very typical of those involved in black projects. We even have a possible designation for one of the discs; XD-3A. Apparently, these discs were developed to intercept increasing numbers of Soviet intruders from the mid-1950s onwards (it would seem that US fears regarding Soviet penetrations of US airspace - DEW line - were to some extent justified after all) and were equipped with a version of the AIM-47A missile. The official story is that this was designed in 1958 (for the F-108??) though not used until the arrival of the YF-12 interceptor years later. In fact it may well have been used in a larger disc-type craft able to travel at speeds approaching Mach 3. This would have been equipped with Hughes ASG-18 radar and would have been used covertly until a decision was made to opt for the most conventional (!) designs offered by the Blackbird family.... Although it is difficult to know what to make of the Carlson testimony I never hear much mention of the various AVRO projects. For years now we have been convinced through speaking with people who worked at the Malton, Ontario, plant up to 1960, through declassified intelligence documents and via our enquiries in the UK (AVRO was a subsidiary of Hawker-Siddeley and records are kept in the UK nowadays) that a much more advanced disc than the 'Avrocar' was designed, built and flown by the USAF. The 'Project Silver Bug' documents - released in 1995 - tend to confirm this... What is more; at a time in the mid-1950s when ATIC were denying any knowledge of the origins of flying discs they were actually producing technical reports on their construction! We also understand that the XF5U1 'flying pancake' was developed from 1947 and was fitted with gas turbines that allowed it to fly at very low speeds/near hover and up to around 600 mph. This was a metallic disc and one of many X-planes designed by the US Navy during the postwar period that were responsible for 'UFO' reports. In addition to the recently declassified document AIR 100-203-79 mentioning an 'operational' XF5U1 and the fact that most of the flying saucer reports related to flying wings not unlike those designed by the Horten Brothers and Jack Northrop we also have a 'Project Sign' documents dated 23rd June 1948 and signed by Col. RD Wentworth which confirms the existence of low aspect ratio aircraft built by the US Navy which most closely resembled the objects reported to the official USAF investigation into supposedly 'unexplained aerial phenomena'. All of the above fails to deal with the vexed question of Nazi scientists whose influence should not be underestimated. From 1946/7 these guys - often with less than spotless war records and a history of involvement in abuse of slave labour at various facilities within Germany between 1939-45 - were involved in US flying wing and disc programmes. The most obvious example is that of Dr. Richard Miethe whose involvement in classified US programmes was admitted by none other than Dr. Alexander Flax, former Secretary to the USAF, in an interview screened on a 'Sightings' TV show. Miethe was said, by former colleague Rudolph Schriever and other witnesses, to have been involved in German disc projects. In fact it seems that he was one of the most senior figures in the work of the Special Projects Group outside Prague from 1944. We also know that he was a colleague of Werner von Braun and that he was involved in secret negotiations between USAF technical and intelligence personnel and AVRO spokesmen in 1951 when the first tentative moves to design and build the 'Project Silver Bug' discs were taken. We now have technical diagrams of the 1952 version of the Miethe disc, the P724 alternative design, the WS606 and the various Project Y/Y2 discs. There shoul be no confusion between these and the VZ-9 Avrocar - a very sad though successful attempt to cover-up the real technology...... None of the above relies upon the oh so typical drivel about nazi gravitics systems, 'vril' and 'Haunebu' discs, 'nazi occult' links/'nazi-ET' links or the nonsense contained in documents like the 'Omega File'. Our conclusions are based upon sound research and upon primary research into declassified documents as well as interviews with people like Jack Pickett whose information have blown the lid off the REAL 'UFO cover-up'. Tim Matthews - October 1998. Now we're getting somewhere.... Tim Matthews. 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