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Email Interview with D.L. Sherman
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:13:08 -0700
From: DL Sherman <wmpub@spiritone.com>
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Note to Glenn...
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Hi Glenn,
This is Dan Sherman, aka DL Sherman. I've decided it's time to unload
to the public. Just wanted to let you in on the unloading process. It
appears Omni magazine might do an interview on-line and UFO Encounters
out of England may be doing an article. You were so gracious with your
coverage early on that I want to cooperate with your webpage as much as
possible.
The book will not be coming out anytime soon. I simply have too much
info that could get me into too much trouble, and I haven't the
resources to get it well researched legally to see where I stand with
the information. I know the alien info won't get me in trouble (because
if they tried any retribution it would prove the validity of my
involvement) But the Black missions I was involved with surrounding the
alien project will.... BIG TIME!
Project Preserve Destiny (PPD) is a government program that began in
1960 (as far as I've been told anyway). It's goal was to produce human
offspring that had the innate ability to communicate with this alien
race "intuitively." That's what we called
it "intuitive communications (IC)." The goal of producing human
offspring with this IC ability was to give the US gov the ability to
carry on global communications during a massive electomagnetic
catastrophe sometime in our future. The exact event that will bring on
this mass communication outage is unknown to me exactly but I have my
hunches. For my part in this, I was one of the IC capable genetic
management results. I went to school at NSA headquarters in order to
facilitate my IC abilities. (I had to learn how to activate it and use
it.) During the few years I was IC ready, I had two different alien
contacts that I interfaced with. Most of our communication was military
oriented so that my abilities could be tested and monitored for
accuracy. The story turned very interesting though because I
discovered, quite by accident, that I could communicate on a different
level (VERY hard to explain). This eventually allowed me to communicate
more informally with my contacts. I learned some very interesting
things. VERY interesting!
I'd like to interject here and say that I know this sounds loonier than
a looney bird but it's true nonetheless. There are SOOO many corners to
this story but you wanted only a short summary so there it is. My record
can be checked as to where I was stationed and what my clearances were.
(Of course some of the higher level ones are classified unto themselves,
but you'll at least get some sort of idea what my access was.) Even the
story of my discharge is interesting all unto itself.
Let me know where you want to proceed from here Glenn...
:)
Dan Sherman
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:21:27 -0800
To: DL Sherman <wmpub@spiritone.com>
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
Subject: Re: Note to Glenn...
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Dan --
Thanks for your message.
I am interested in recording your story. I've learned to be pretty
neutral about collecting "loony" claims. "Proof" is not of great
concern to me; I am just a collector of stories. I'll just put all
together and let it stand on its own.
I'm not going to push you in any direction you don't want to go.
I'll just ask the obvious questions, and you can respond however you
like. The end result might be a report or a section on my website,
which I would let you review for accuracy prior to release.
(I will use discretion and will do my best to respect your wishes,
but you must also recognize that I am a journalist, and my job
is to make things public. If I see inconsistancies, I am obligated
to report them.)
I am not going to make a judgment about whether or not I think you
are "for real." I am just going to assemble your story and make it
easily accessible to others, like I did with my "Jarod 2" source.
Any journalist or serious researcher who later investigates your
story will probably look at my report first.
I have plenty of questions to start with. You may answer however you like.
If giving a precise answer makes you uncomfortable, you may give an
approximation. If any area is "off limits," please tell me.
[A series of questions follow, which are answered below]
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:13:35 -0700
From: DL Sherman <wmpub@spiritone.com>
To: "Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas"
Subject: Re: Note to Glenn...
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1) How old are you?
-- Where & when were you born?
-- Where did you grow up?
In lots of places concentrated within the Sacramento valley and
Oregon.
-- Where did you go to school? What degrees have you earned?
Graduated from Willamina High School in Willamina OR and attended
college sporadically while in the USAF. Finally put together enough
credits to earn an Associates Degree in Communications Applications
Technology through Community College of the Air Force.
2) Who do you work for now? (If you are retired, who did you work for
last?)
I'm a sales manager with an insurance company.
3) "Even the story of my discharge is interesting all unto itself."
I have some legal issues with this question. I can state the facts
though... I was discharged for homosexual admission but am happily
married... beyond that I can't really comment. It's kind of the "rock
and a hard place" scenario.
4) You say, "I went to school at NSA headquarters in order to
facilitate my IC abilities."
-- Do you mean Fort Mead?
(It's "Meade" BTW.) Yes, that's what I mean. I went to Meade
originally to attend an intermediate electronic intelligence school
(EA280). It was considered a continuation school in my
career field. I ended up being indocrinated into PPD while
I was there and going to school for PPD at night after my other
classes.
-- What years were you there? How long?
I went to school at Ft Meade the early months of 1992. It lasted for
about
8 to 10 weeks... can't remember exactly how long.
-- Where did you live at the time? (What part of town or base?)
I stayed at the Holiday Inn out by the BWI Airport.
-- Were you married at the time? If not, where did you go to meet
chicks?
No. There was a club in the lobby of my hotel that was pretty
hopping. Can't remember what they called it... Decades... something
like that. It had a fifties motiff to it. There was also a club at
the Sheraton I believe called Safari. Great place.... Of course,
I've never been the club hopping type, but I didn't know anyone so it
was a way to meet people and have something to do at night after PPD
classes let out.
-- Does anything about the campus or local area stand out in your mind?
(Unclassified only.)
Yeah, I hated the area. Everything was so spread out. It took you
forever to get somewhere. The fact that Ft Meade was an open base was
odd to me too. With the things that are based at NSA, it should be
more guarded than the White House.
-- What sort of recreation did you engage in while there?
Absolutely NONE. I didn't have much time for anything. Went into DC
a couple of times to sight see (got a parking ticket for over $100..)
went to the movies alot....had a few girlfriends while there that I
did things with.
5) You say, "During the few years I was IC ready, I had two different
alien contacts that I interfaced with."
-- Did you physically meet them?
No. But my mental impression of them while communicating was almost
more revealing than what I would gain from a visual encounter. They
are very complex creatures.
-- Describe these aliens. (Essay question.)
Again, visually I cannot help you. Mentally, they are rigid,
disciplined and mostly unemotional. Although when communicating I
could sense more than the subject being communicated. It's like
zeroing in on something visually but you can see things out of your
peripheral vision that reveals much more than what you are focused on.
As far as physical description, I have not a clue. Actually, my
visual impression of them is the same everyone else has which is the
figure we have all come to be familiar with thanks to the X-Files and
such.
-- How many years were you "IC ready"? Which years? How and why
did you become "IC unready"?
I trained for my abilities in the beginning of 1992 but I didn't
become "IC ready" (which means actually using the IC abilities in a
communicating capacity) until November of 1992. I was IC ready from
then until December of 1994. I became "unready" to use your words
(actually I "lost operational status") because I was being discharged
from the service.
-- How does IC work in practice? (Any equipment required? What do
you do with your body? Who do you communicate with?)
That is a good question. No equipment is required but I would always
work at a terminal which would coincide with the normal one I would
work with in my regular job. I would open a "window" in the
background of my terminal's work surface and type in a password. This
would bring me to a screen that for all intents and purposes would
look blank to anyone if they looked at it, but I would be able to type
as I received communications (comms). I would type in this window
until the comms ceased. I would simply close the window afterwords
and that would be that.
The ability is something that was genetically
managed and grafted, or whatever you want to call it, into my genetic
make-up. One of the first questions I had when I was debriefed
about this whole thing was "Am I part alien?" The answer (much to my
happiness) was that I am completely homosapien. The aliens simply
engineered my DNA to conform to the instructions necessary to
facilitate the IC ability. (My words.) They had begun to experiment
with human DNA in 1960 and had perfected this particular procedure by
1963 which coincidentally is the year I was conceived.
I think it's obvious by now that I communicated with an alien species
of some sort. They never had a name that they revealed to me but I
gave them names myself. The first one I was communicating with I
named Spock. I named him this out of irony obviously, but also
because my initial impressions when the comms first started was that
of extreme logic. Hence the name. I know it seems pretty canned now,
but the irony was funny to me then and I thought it appropriate. The
second one assigned to me, I had no part- icular reason to name him
anything so I stayed with the Star Trek theme and named him Bones. Of
course, these were names that had no significance to them because they
had no use for names when communicating. I only had them for my own
amusement.
-- Do you still have IC abilities? What form do they take?
I will always have the ability because it is a part of me. But I will
probably never be contacted again because I am not part of the program
anymore. If I am needed during the future event that, indeed, this
whole program exists because of.. then I'm sure I'll be contacted. It
is a mental communication, therefore there is no form. Explaining the
physical properties of it I have found is very difficult. It's like
explaining the color red to someone who was born without eyes.
6) You say, "I know the alien info won't get me in trouble (because
if they tried any retribution it would prove the validity of my
involvement)."
-- Do you have any ongoing contact with "them" (the government
program you worked for)? If so, what form does this contact take?
If not, what and when was your last contact?
None whatsoever. When I was relieved of duty and my clearances were
suspended while I awaited my discharge, all contact ceased with any
PPD participants. It's like I dropped off the face of the earth.
-- Do you think they want you to tell the alien story?
Absolutely NOT! PPD has been one the closest held alien related
operations in existence. They will most likely be infuriated.
-- A while ago, your book seemed close to being finished, but
then you apparently withdrew it for more work because of "legal"
concerns. Was there any outside event that triggered this?
No contacts from the government if that's what you mean. Quite
frankly, I'm more concerned about revealing other sensitive (EXTREMELY
CLASSIFED) stuff in the process of coming out with this story. In a
book, once it's in black and white and in the hands of millions of
people, there's no denying what you said in a court of law. That
scares me.
7) You say, "For my part in this, I was one of the IC capable genetic
management results."
-- How were you produced?
Answered above I believe.
-- Who did the "genetic management"?
-- Do your parents know about this?
My mother may have some memories of abduction. I have never discussed
this with her however.
-- Are your parents still alive? Where do they live?
Yes. My mom lives in OR and my dad lives in CA.
8) You say, "My record can be checked as to where I was stationed and
what my clearances were."
-- A general summary would be helpful, with dates if possible.
I had TS SCI clearances but most of the caveats are classified. Of
course I had the standard UMBRA and others I can't even remember. I'm
going to list the bases I was stationed at for your info but I will
list them alphabtically.... you need to decide which is of interest
and when I was stationed there. I can't associate certain locations
to some things I have said.
Buckley Air National Guard Base, Aurora CO
Camp New Amsterdam, The Netherlands (Changed to Soesterberg AB later)
Grand Forks AFB, ND
Malmstrom AFB, MT
Offutt AFB, NE
Osan AB, South Korea (twice)
San Vito AS, Italy
9) You say, "I learned some very interesting things [from the aliens].
VERY interesting!"
-- Like what?
That they have been visiting earth since the beginning (I could never
find out exactly what that meant but that is the impression I
received.) That we all had common beginnings... I took this to mean we
were all created by the same creator (this may be tainted by my belief
in one God.) They had made there presence known at some time in the
past to our ancestors and that the whole thing went haywire somehow so
they have chosen to remain selective in their revelations since. They
impacted three historical cultures in the past. Which ones he didn't
say, but I have extrapolated since based on other information. I also
learned that there are other alien "species" besides the one's I
commed with. The whole reason for PPD is to train a certain number of
humans to be able to communicate with the aliens so as to provide a
network of communications in the future when electromagnetic
communications will not work. I was never told what "event" this
would be though. I was also told this by the person who
indoctrinated me into PPD at the beginning. Although, when you
"listen" to something it's much different than "intuitively
communicating." I picked up much more detail, regarding the severity
of this event during my comms. I asked what type of event it would be
but he was very silent on this matter. It was actually very
frustrating I remember.
It's hard to categorize things learned during my comms in a paragraph
because so much of it was subtle and has faded over time. Actually,
when I read something or see something that jogs my memory on
something I learned it comes to me much more readily.
10) What are your personal hobbies? What do you do for recreation?
What are your favorite TV shows?
Not many hobbies. My favorite TV shows are Friends, Frasier, Newsradio
and a lot of things on the learning channel.
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:53:52 -0700
From: DL Sherman <wmpub@spiritone.com>
To: "Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas"
Subject: Re: PPD Questions
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-- When were you selected for the PPD program? While at Fort Meade?
Is that the first you knew about your special abilities?
That's a two-fold answer. I was selected before birth hence the genetic
manipulation...etc. But yes, that was the first I knew of the abilities
because that is when they decided to indoctrinate me into the program.
I was told by my indoc officer that all ICs were chosen based on many
factors, one of which was suceptibility to going into the military. I
can't remember whether he told me this or I surmised it over time but I
believe all the ICs come from economically lower class parentage. Of
course these families are the most likely to have children join the
military. I think with all their knowledge they were able to accurately
predict the ratio of how many embryos they needed to genetically alter
in order to get a certain number that would join the military. I'm
positive that there are civilians harboring this ability that have never
even dreamed of going into the military. At the time of my indoctrination
there had only been less than 50 ICs indocted into the program. I say less
than 50 because my indoc officer scoffed when I asked are there more than
50 people like me in the AF. He wouldn't tell me exactly how many though.
(Hence my final attempt of finding out by guessing.)
-- How was the news given to you -- that your had this special
background and ability? (Must have been an interesting briefing.)
It was quite interesting. I got a call from an officer who identified
himself as the training officer or something like that. He called my
room at the Holiday Inn shortly after I checked in, I can't remember
whether it was night or day. But I know I was taking a nap (I had
driven straight through from my home base at the time....) He
identified himself as Capt So and So and that he needed to talk with me
at a certain time. He told me to be at the main entrance to NSA at
a certain time and he would meet me there. Of course, I was a little
stymied why a Capt would be contacting me directly (I was an E-5) because
that was not routine. My mind was racing as to why a Capt would be
calling me directly. I thought I had done something wrong to tell you
the truth. So of course I was nervous the whole time between when he
called me and when we met. We met at the main entrance as planned.
(Parking there is horrendous!!!) My clearances hadn't arrived yet
which was par for the course... so he had to escort me in to the
building. We went through such a labrynth of hallways I had no idea
where I was by the time we got to his office. After going through
two card readers and one retina scanner we entered his office. About
one hour later (or so) I knew what I supposed to know and I was out.
Just like that! Of course the meeting was VERY interesting. When you
learn something like this, you don't just go "Oh okay, so what's
next?" I went through a period of believing and disbelieving... on
and off. I wanted desperately to believe it actually, because in one
respect it was cool.... but then my reasoning mind kept saying "HOW
could this be true... this is only in the movies!" I guess it really
didn't hit home as being actually true until we were in the van (Capt and I)
the first day of my PPD school. The van had blackout windows and
there was a wall between the passenger compartment and the front cab
where the driver sat. That's when it dawned on me that if this was all
a big joke at me expense, they were taking it TOO far now. Of course,
it wasn't a joke!
-- Do you believe what the briefer told you was true? For example,
you were told the PPD program was to prepare the government for an
electromagnetic disruption. Could that be a cover story -- to make it
easier for you to accept what you were doing?
The briefer told me that my abilities existed because the government would
need them sometime in the future. He wasn't the one that told me about the
electromagnetic thing. I gathered that part over time in communicating with
Spock and Bones. So as far as a cover story, they really didn't come
out and tell me what it was for so it didn't even have a chance of being a
cover story. Of course, one of the many things I learned during my
military experience is alwasy question what you perceive as reality because
it may not be the same reality for everyone.
-- How is it you happened to be in the military already? Did you
choose a military career of your own free will?
I did. There is an interesting footnote to that though. My whole fascination
with the AF came from a family friend that was an SR-71 pilot back in about
1974. He would always tell me how wonderful the AF was and how I would most
certainly join it someday. From that point on I always knew I would join.
Was he told to plant that idea in my head? Who knows. It seemed awfully
wierd looking back on it. How mesmerizing he was about the whole AF thing.
We lived near Beale AFB in Ca where the SR-71's were headquartered.
-- 8-10 weeks of night school seems like a short period of time to be
trained in such a skill. What was accomplished in this time? Was
that the only training you had?
The training was only to activate what I already had and allowed me to practice
controlling it. I was actually done in about four or five weeks but I
continued to practice. Everyone has there own speed of learning with IC
abilities. What was accomplished was that I was able to actually control
my abilities and coalesce my comms into actual communication. One of the
spots I had a rough time with in writing the book was explaining how a
comm operated... the anatomy of it if you will. It's very difficult to
explain. I was told during the first days of school to practice humming
notes back mentally. I would hear tones in the headphones and I would
try to reproduce that tone mentally. We worked with the computer monitor
which had 10 sine waves each in their own box. "Flattening the line" was
my whole goal. I knew I was hitting pay dirt when a line would
start to flatten. Then I would try to reproduce that "tone" in my mind.
Eventually I could flatten lines in any given combination.... then I was able
to repeat whole picture stuctures via line flattening. I would be shown
pictures at first and be sent the comm that corresponded with that picture.
Then I graduated to video and as the video played I would hear the
corresponding comm explaining the actions in the video. I would also
be given sentences that would scroll across the screen and I would hear the
corresponding comm for it and I would repeat it back and the words would
scroll as I repeated it. Of course in the beginning all kinds of gobbledy
gook would scroll across but that's what I was in school for! There
was a process that I called "clicking". My understanding of something would
all of sudden click into place. One minute I didn't have it and the next
I did. I can't really explain it Glenn.... I wish I could!
[I am skeptical here: If you were an important asset to them, wouldn't
they at least assign you to the program full-time? You aren't going
to be "fresh" at night after you have taken that electronics course.
When I have heard of military training for remote viewing, it has
supposedly taken years.]
Everything was done under a cover of something else. If I had gone off to
school for this without having a reason.... later my record could be
examined and they would have to explain where I was during this blacked
out period of time. As it stands now, my time was accounted for the whole
time and they could deny I was involved in any "night" schooling quite
easily. There's a reason for everything Glenn. They don't do things just
"because." And I did have problems being "fresh" you're right. But they
didn't care. I could have done it quicker I think if I had done it full
time. I can liken this ability to riding a bike. Everyone has the ability
to ride a bike so all it takes is a littel instruction, some training wheels
and you're off... it comes naturally after a while. The same with this,
I had the natural talent... I just needed the training wheels and encourage-
ment.
-- Were there others in your training class?
There was one other guy in the same room as I. We never once spoke to one
another. His hours were a bit different than mine. He left earlier and
arrived sooner. We were instructed to never speak to anyone except for
your assigned PPD contact. EXTREMELY compartmented! And each contact had
to hand you off to another one as you moved on.
-- How were you taught? Was it in a classroom setting or a one-on-one
tutorial? Were any documents or A/V materials involved? (I'd like
to get ahold of the syllabus.)
It was a room with a table in the middle and two workstations one on opposite
walls. The other guy would be on the other workstation while I was on mine.
All we had were headphones, and a computer monitor... no mouse...not anything
else. We never saw the instructor. It was all through audible instructions
via the headphones. The instructor was more like a computer, never any
small talk or anything.... strictly business. No materials at all!!! We
arrived with nothing every day and we left with nothing. The only loose
objects were the headphones, two glasses, a plate on the table and a
picture of water. THAT'S IT!!!
-- After your training, were you stationed at multiple bases or just
one? Is there one "special" bose for this sort of thing?
I'm unaware of a special base... I think it's headquartered out of NSA though.
I was IC ready at two different bases.
-- You say you accepted "comms" from the aliens and typed
them into a computer terminal.
-- Do you know where these commmunications went then?
-- What was the content of these communications?
They were mainly things I didn't understand. At first they were a list
of lat/longs (locations) and that was it. Then it grew into a list of
words. I think they were simply testing my accuracy and that was it.
I finally started to realize that I would receive longer comms right after
major space launches such as the Arianne and Shuttle... etc. They would
mostly be a long list of numbers. They could have been coded.. or straight
forward I'm not sure. But during my last few months I started to receive
what I thought to be abduction data. This is when I started having
questions and I began to want out of the whole thing. Of course, this led to
the sequence of events resulting in my discharge. I think they were testing my
resolve as well. I'm not sure what was going on but I didn't like the
comms. I would be told locations, resistance levels, residual pain levels,
potentiality for recall and each case would be given a code. I had no idea
what the codes were but I didn't like it... bottom line. I felt like I was
reporting the lab results of a bunch of mice experiments.
-- Did you type words in English? Did the aliens speak to you in English
or did you translate for them?
This is difficult. Of course the outcome of everything was English but that's
only because I automatically think in the English language but the comms are
not directly in what you would call "English." I wouldn't call it any language
actually. I would call it just what it is... communicating via intuition.
-- When you typed out the comms on the terminal, what grammatical tense
did you use? (How did you refer to the aliens when you typed? Did
you type in their voice or yours?)
I never referred to the aliens during comms. I typed the comms as it
came. There was no structure other than I would separate ideas or "comms" if you
will by a slash mark "/" Example would be:
1100156E349504N / 90433922030302-392939299 / etc....
The first set of numbers would be a lat/long location. (Actually, I can't
remember exactly how I typed that... whether the N was first or second...)
The second set being a code of some sort I'm sure.
-- Was there any guessing on your part as to what the message was,
or was the message clear and unambiguous? Did it matter what
kind of mood you were in? (If you didn't sleep well the night
before, did it hurt "reception.")
No they were all very clear. If I was tired, I felt tired but the comms
were not affected I don't think.
-- Did you receive comms at one AF base or multiple?
-- Were you supposed to be some kind of "comm officer" for the base
where you were stationed? (Like the Navajo code talkers of WWII.)
No. I operated not for the base but for NSA. My location was only so that
I could operate under "black" cover. I could have done it anywhere!
-- Did you receive any special pay or privileges for your comm duties?
-- On what schedule did you receive comms? Was it on a human schedule
or the aliens'? How much warning did you have that a comm was
"coming in"?
There was no schedule per se, but I always seemed to receive them on my
shift while I was at work. I don't think the info I received was
time sensitive in any way. I would receive an initial what I call "preamble"
which would include my "number identifier". Whenever I was ready I would
repeat this preamble back and he would start comms. No hurry though.
-- Did you receive comms from anyone other than aliens? Any humans?
No. I often wondered whether two IC capable humans could comm. I don't
think so though. I believe the power of our ability comes from their
(the alien's) abilities. The aliens can actually speak to any human tele-
pathically over a short distance (as I surmise it anyway) but it is only
over great distances that humans cannot do so unless they have IC
capabilities.
-- "I would always work at a terminal which would coincide with the normal
one I would work with in my regular job."
-- What was the operating system?
We had serveral operating systems and I'm really not sure what they were. I
was just an operator! The stuff we worked with at both my PPD locations
were extremely sophisticated and specialized. Just that stuff would set
your classified ear on end. Can't go there though!
-- Did your superiors in your normal job know what you were doing, or
did they think you were goofing off?
No one had a clue except for my PPD contact at each location.
-- "Mentally, they are rigid, disciplined and mostly unemotional." You
say "mostly". In what small way were they emotional?
I could sense underlying compassion in all comms. It was almost like this was
there nature but they overrode this characteristic because they perhaps felt
it was a weakness. Very strange.
-- "I was discharged for homosexual admission..." Seems a tad petty of them if you truly were an asset to the program.
Does this mean they had plenty of genetically altered talent to work
with?
I think you got the wrong impression. This is what I was discharged for
but it was from my actual admission. It was the only way I could get out!
They were not about to let me out... period. But this was the only avenue
my PPD chain of command couldn't over rule the decision. I know
they were PISSED too. I sincerely believe I'm the only military IC
capable person who has ever successfully been discharged from the military.
I was going to get out after my 6 year enlistment came up. I told everyone
the only way I would re-enlist is if I got a cross train into Electronic
Intelligence. Low and behold, papers came down saying my cross train
was approved (I was a cop at the time). Then when those next four years
were coming to a close I said the only way I would re-enlist was if I got
orders to Korea. Bam! The very next month I had them. I re-enlisted and
then the orders were cancelled. (I was pissed!) But evidently they had other
plans because that is when I went off to school and the rest is history.
-- You say you have retained the IC ability, but now that you have no one
contacting you, is there anything you can do with it? Do you have any other
psychic ability?
First Released: 7/23/97