Subj: Local Geography Date: Mon, Sep 11, 1995 1:47 PM PDT From: tfrost@aoc.nrao.edu X-From: tfrost@aoc.nrao.edu (Tom Frost) To: PsychoSpy@aol.com Status: RO Yo Sam! > Have you seen this? Footnote #6 at the bottom is a specific > reference to your area. Yes...I saw this this morning on alt.ufo.reports....I found some seeming inconsistencies in it..... > Mean anything? Is there a dry lake in that vicinity? (Mr. > Hesemann is not a very reliable character.) I can imagine..... But, to really answer your questions, I need more info.... Footnote #6 is kind of vague about exactly WHERE the alleged crash happened...or exactly WHERE Hesemann was on the "Socorro to Magdalena road"...presumably he was on Hwy 60 ????? IF he is talking about the alleged crash on the Plains of San Augustin in July 1947....and NOT ROSWELL....then, YES there is a dry lake bed about 10 miles South of Hwy 60.... and YES this is where the locals say "something happened here, and the Gov't came in and hauled off "something" under wraps on trucks"..... --------------------------------------------------------------- THE CAMERAMAN'S STORY >McMullan was straight to the point, no messing, I was ordered >to a crash site just south west of Socorro [6] It was urgent ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Plains of San Augustin are approximately 50 miles SW of Socorro.. does this qualify as "just south west of Socorro" ????? Sounds almost like he's confusing this "crash" with the sighting by Lonnie Zamora ( the off-duty cop who observed a "landed disc with 2-3 humanoids" near Socorro....in the 1960's) !!!!! >I flew out from Andrews [8] with sixteen other officers and >personnel mostly medical, We arrived at Write Patterson [9] >and collected more men and equipment, from there we flew to >Roswell on a C54. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not really sure they had C-54's in 1947....I seem to remember that the C-54 was the military version of the DC-6 by Douglas Acft.... You could check with Trader to see if this is true....or some of the other Interceptors..... >When we got to Roswell we were transported by road to the site ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Why fly to Roswell if the "crash" was really SW of Socorro....it would have been faster/closer to fly into Kirtland AFB in ABQ.... >Once my tent had been set up I started filming immediately, >first the vehicle, then the site and debris, At around 06.00 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here in New Mexico, it really isn't light until after 0630 or so, even in July...would the cameras/film of the 1940's been able to operate under these "primitive conditions" ??? >protective suits as the doctors. It was impossible to handle >the camera properly loading and focusing were very difficult Sounds like a ready-made excuse for the terribly sloppy work in the "autopsy film"..... >After filming I had several hundred reels, I separated problem >reels which required special attention in processing (these I How did he know that some of the reels "required special attention in processing"...before he had even processed ANY of the others??? --------------------------------------------------------------- Notes by GW: >near Socorro, it would have been far easier and quicker to fly >to Kirtland Field at Albuquerque which is half the distance >from the crash site and on better roads. But there may have >been operational reasons for using Roswell. See note [10]. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK....such as what....that Roswell had the only Atomic Squadron in the US arsenal?????.....don't see how this qualifies them to be the "experts" on crashed disks!!!!! >[6]Agustin where Grady L "Barney" Barnett (d. 1969) said that he >came across a crashed flying disc in the desert in July 1947. >Beside it, he said, were a number of dead or injured humanoids. >In a short time the military arrived and cordoned off the area. >He, and a small group of archaeologists who had also stopped, >were sent away, told that they were not to talk about what they >had seen and that it was their patriotic duty to remain silent. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Again....this is the AUGUSTIN "crash"....on the West end of what is now the VLA......NOT the ROSWELL "crash"..... This has been pretty much confirmed to me by some of the local ranchers....there WAS a team of archaeologists in the area that was excavating the "Bat Cave" site of ancient Indian artifacts.. they WERE run off by the military.....something was hauled off under wraps by military trucks..... >In July 1995 Michael Hesemann drove to the crash site indicated >by the cameraman following detailed instructions relayed by Ray >Santilli. It was at the northern end of a small dry lake bed, >ten miles along a dirt track running south from the Socorro to >Magdalena road. Near a cleft in a rocky ridge beside the dry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here is where I have trouble with Hesemann's story.....the Plains of San Augustin are WEST of Magdalena....between Magdalena & Datil... NOT between Socorro & Magdalena....otherwise, it is possible he's talking about Hwy 60 in general, and wasn't sure exactly where he was..... >have been the crash site. Of course there are no remains of >any kind there now, but the instructions he received left him >in no doubt that the cameraman had visited this place. I would like to see these "directions" provided by Santilli... >[18]the aliens - or "freaks" - lived for nearly two years after the >Roswell crash. This scenario is certainly reminiscent of other >stories concerning an EBE which survived a flying saucer crash >in New Mexico and was possibly kept and studied at Los Alamos. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm checking with some of my contacts who still work there, to see if they can "verify" these rumors...I don't remember hearing these rumors when I worked there....but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't true.... Yo Sam ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From tfrost@aoc.nrao.edu Mon Sep 11 16:46:13 1995