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From: fsphys@brunswickmicro.nb.ca
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 15:29:03 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:47:47 -0500
Subject: Re: MJ-12 and Area 51


Errol: I am beginning to wonder if Ed Stewart and Kevin Randle haven't been
hired by some disinformation outfit to waste my time on the net with some very
strange arguments. Let me look at several:

1. Kevin's  argument that since Ike would have known about Roswell, as Chief of
Staff in 1947, there would have been no need for a preliminary briefing in 1952
as the president elect, is an old and faulted one. It might have held if Ike
had
remained as Chief of Staff through 1952. But he had already in June, 1947,
announced he was stepping down to be tbe President of Colmbia University. He
was
there for a couple of years and was writing his memoirs as well. Then he
spent a
couple of years in Europe trying to tie the devastated former enemy nations of
Europe into a coalition to resist the Soviets, only coming back to the US
around
June of 1952 for the Republican convention.As noted in my 108 p. "Final Report
on Operation Majestic 12" l990, FUFOR, (available from UFORI, $14. postpaid,
POB
958, Houlton, ME 04730-0958), he states in "Mandate for Change" p.85, that he
was briefed that summer of l952 on National Security matters by W.B.Smith, DCI.
Smith in a 2 page Jan.9, l953, letter to Truman notes that he had arranged 4
briefings for Ike during the campaign and 4 after the Nov. 4 election. The
entire letter is on pages E-9 and E10 of "Final Report..."Clearly he needed and
received briefings on National Security matters after his long time out of the
loop. The CIA has been unable to locate anything related to those briefings.

2. I referred to the need for access to classified files re the history of Area
51 and Kevin commented "we do have access to the public records which show no
evidence of any secret facility in 1954" . To the best of my knowledge public
records are by definition, not classified. How could they show evidence of
classified balck matters. The area is, according to one writer the size of
Switzerland. A facility for collection, storage, and evaluation of bodies and
wreckage need not be the size of Switzerland. Ed Stewart sets a new standard
for
classification when he stated as repeated by Scott Hale "Before information
becomes classified, it is in the public domain and out there". Using Ed's
phrase
(would I ever say any such thing?) this is "unadulterated poppycock". Many
Black
Programs are by definition born classified. There were no public domain
releases
on the Manhattan Project, the city of Los Alamos, the Stealth Fighter, the U-2
etc ad nauseum before they became classified, were there Ed?.

3. I suppose I should appreciate Kevin making me the Rupert Murdoch of the UFO
publishing world by twice using the phrase "self published"  with regard to my
29 papers on MJ-12 and Roswell not listed in his long list of references in
"The
Truth about The UFO Crash at Roswell". Sorry Kevin; all 29 were published by
someone other than me such as  IUR,  MUFON J., FATE, UFO Universe, Proceedings
of the various MUFON Symposia,etc.  I have indeed distributed copies of many of
these through UFORI as noted above. Here are 3 self published items  "S.E.T.I.,
Sagan and Science " 27pg., l993;"Roswell Incident, USAF, and the NY Times"
9/26,l994; and, of most direct concern to our discussion, but not included in
the 29, "Operation Majestic 12? YES!" 37pages 8/94. Each is only $4.postpaid
from UFORI with a special price for all three of only $10.00 postpaid.

4. Ed I hate to tell you this, but JUST CAUS is not a referreed scientific
journal. It is a newsletter going to a few hundred people. It has been known to
make mistakes about MJ-12. For example, as noted on p.49 of "Final Report..." I
pointed out that the December, 1985. JC article stated that the Ike Briefing
was
classified Top Secret Eyes Only (leaving out MAJIC),  was 9 back to back pages,
dated Sept. 18, l947 and signed by Truman. It was 8 one sided pages, not signed
by anybody, though the TF memo (p.8) was signed by Truman.The date is Nov. 18.
for those who think that September might have been a typo, please note that it
also stated "Septmber 18, l947 is the birthdate of the CIA! Is it a concidence
or a telltale clue to the document being a phoney...."...

5. For Kevin, I am well aware of Dr.Pankratz's comments  . Obviously if the Ike
or Truman libraries had MJ-12 documents of their own, we wouldn't be having
this
discussion. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The presidential Archives do
NOT
get everything from that administration. The regulations about security
markings
are one thing,  the reality is quite another again as I have noted. Dr.
Pankratz
was also early on in error in some of his coments about the CT memo.. as I
reported in Final Report....

Enough of my time. STF