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From: KRandle993@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:13:44 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:21:14 -0500
Subject: Re: MJ-12 and Area 51

In a message dated 96-12-14 13:48:54 EST, Scott Hale writes:

<< Ed,

<    Re: MJ-12

 <    To answer your quesion, IF a group like MJ-12 existed, there would
 <be no supporting documentation anywhere you or anyone outside of the
 <loop could get at it.

 <Re: Bob Lazar

 <Doesn't it seem like Lazar's records could be destroyed by the
 <government, IF his story was true?

But does this make sense? Could they destroy all records? What about those
that Lazar himself should have? Could we not find other students, teachers,
who remember him at the school? Could we find no record for his tuition
payments to the school? If the University of Iowa attempted, on government
orders, to wipe out the record of my attendance there, I could find lots of
other ways of proving it, including the grade transcripts I've kept filed for
more years than I care to admit.

 <Re: Your comments about belief systems

 <    I don't hold any one particular "belief system". You too must
 <realize, that being a total skeptic is a belief system as well. I don't
 <know what your religon is, but total denial is a belief in itself. Now,
 <I don't mean to call you a total skeptic, because I don't know what your
 <beliefs are. I have done much work into MJ-12, including the Truman
 <signature. The signature isn't identical, it's close though. One must
 <wonder where Phil Klass "found" this signature. How in the thousands of
 <Truman signatures did he find an "exact" match? Did he sit there for
 <days with a ruler and go through them? I know they aren't identical
 <because I scanned them both, and made some acetate(spellling?) overlays.
 <Right now I am led to belive that the SOM is fake. If it is, so what?
 <Couldn't it be a copycat hoax? I think it's possible that the Ike papers
 <are genuine. When I began UFO research, I thought MJ-12 was surely a
 <hoax, now I'm not too sure.

 <Regards,
 <Scott K. Hale


< P.S. I love these discussions, they're so enjoyable! >>

I've spoken to a questioned document expert (as has Stan) who told me that
the Truman memo was not shot straight on so that you have, on the
photographic print, some distortion of the dimensions of the signature. I
have also been told that the copying process distorts the signature further,
so that it would depend on what generation you used for your measurements.
Because of these distortions, you can't make an acetate overlay for
comparison. On the other hand, the Truman signature is situated
uncharacteristicly low on the memo. This man said that to him, the signature
was lifted from an October 1, 1947 document and transplanted. Although there
are claims of other questioned document experts who say otherwise, I have
been unable to locate them.

KRandle