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From: "Scott K. Hale" <shale@megalinx.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:08:56 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:24:36 -0500
Subject: Re: MJ-12 and Area 51

> From: KRandle993@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:13:44 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: MJ-12 and Area 51

> In a message dated 96-12-14 13:48:54 EST, Scott Hale writes:

> << Ed,

> <    Re: MJ-12

>  <    To answer your quesion, IF a group like MJ-12 existed, there would
>  <be no supporting documentation anywhere you or anyone outside of the
>  <loop could get at it.

>  <Re: Bob Lazar

>  <Doesn't it seem like Lazar's records could be destroyed by the
>  <government, IF his story was true?

> But does this make sense? Could they destroy all records? What about those
> that Lazar himself should have? Could we not find other students, teachers,
> who remember him at the school? Could we find no record for his tuition
> payments to the school? If the University of Iowa attempted, on government
> orders, to wipe out the record of my attendance there, I could find lots of
> other ways of proving it, including the grade transcripts I've kept filed for
> more years than I care to admit.

>  <Re: Your comments about belief systems

>  <    I don't hold any one particular "belief system". You too must
>  <realize, that being a total skeptic is a belief system as well. I don't
>  <know what your religon is, but total denial is a belief in itself. Now,
>  <I don't mean to call you a total skeptic, because I don't know what your
>  <beliefs are. I have done much work into MJ-12, including the Truman
>  <signature. The signature isn't identical, it's close though. One must
>  <wonder where Phil Klass "found" this signature. How in the thousands of
>  <Truman signatures did he find an "exact" match? Did he sit there for
>  <days with a ruler and go through them? I know they aren't identical
>  <because I scanned them both, and made some acetate(spellling?) overlays.
>  <Right now I am led to belive that the SOM is fake. If it is, so what?
>  <Couldn't it be a copycat hoax? I think it's possible that the Ike papers
>  <are genuine. When I began UFO research, I thought MJ-12 was surely a
>  <hoax, now I'm not too sure.

>  <Regards,
>  <Scott K. Hale


> < P.S. I love these discussions, they're so enjoyable! >>

> I've spoken to a questioned document expert (as has Stan) who told me that
> the Truman memo was not shot straight on so that you have, on the
> photographic print, some distortion of the dimensions of the signature. I
> have also been told that the copying process distorts the signature further,
> so that it would depend on what generation you used for your measurements.
> Because of these distortions, you can't make an acetate overlay for
> comparison. On the other hand, the Truman signature is situated
> uncharacteristicly low on the memo. This man said that to him, the signature
> was lifted from an October 1, 1947 document and transplanted. Although there
> are claims of other questioned document experts who say otherwise, I have
> been unable to locate them.

> KRandle


The copies that I used with my overlay are the EXACT copies that Klass
says are doubles. I still haven't been told how Mr. Klass made this
amazing discovery.


Regards,
Scott K. Hale