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From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 22:36:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Walton Case.4: NICAP June 76 evaluation - Klass

Jerry Cohen wrote:

> >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:59:21 -0500
> >From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Walton Case.4: NICAP June 76 evaluation - Klass
> >References: <2.2.32.19961216220215.00b82a20@globalserve.net>


<snip - prior correspondence removed - >


> >You may find this of interest for another perspective on the Travis
> >Walton case please read Coral and Jim Lorenzens account in "Abducted -
> >Confrontations with Beings From Outer Space" 1977 Berkley Medallion
> >Books, Chapter IV The Walton Affair pp 80-113. ......

> JC:   Thank you Gary. Someone else pointed that out to me. I'm going to get
> the book. However, NICAP had printed several things over the years calling
> into question the accuracy of some of the Lorenzens' books. I really
> respected NICAP.  I'll take a look at what the Lorenzens said and whether
> or not this book was one of those mentioned by NICAP.

I understand you really respected NICAP but before you let the concept
of respecting an authoritative organization shape your judgement you
should familiarize yourself with the background of its founders,
directors and their histories and ties to the intelligence community.
Likewise do the same for the APRO.  Here I'll add just a few comments to
entice you to open mindedly look into this and evaluate it yourself
without accepting NICAPs judgement of APRO a priori or vice versa.

>From the Lorenzen book - UFO's The Whole Story 1969, Signet.  Page 7

"As a child in 1934!, (my ! for emphasis) Mrs. Lorenzen observed a UFO
and a few years later mentioned the object to the family doctor.  Being
an open-minded and curious man, his own reading jaunts had taken him far
afield from his profession; he had read many 'off-beat' books, among
which were those of Charles Fort, the original UFO researcher, who held
scientists in utter contempt and penned his intellectual barbs with rare
humor.  The doctor recommended that if Mrs. Lorenzen was interested in
reading about other people who had seen strange things in the sky, she
should imbibe Fort's works, which she did-at the age of twelve.  She
discovered that things similar to the erie white half-disk she had seen
were described in astronomical journals, scientific papers, and ordinary
newspapers which predated her own sighting by at least a hundred years.
The books, Lo, Book of the Damned, and Wild Talents, were gold mines of
information about UFOs and other inexplicable things."

I am not too surprised about the origin of the Lorenzen's interests.
I am finding more frequent than not that many of the major UFO
researchers have had significant personal experiences.  I didn't find
out about Mrs. Lorenzen's experience until I had started reading the
third of their five books I have. Two and a half down and two and a half
to go of the five I have. So far of the major past UFO researchers I am
familiar with they "seem" to be the most genuine.  I say seem because I
need to know more.  They seemed genuinely surprised and annoyed at the
surveillance they were placed under by the US government.  You can trace
their transformation from thinking that they were above suspicion (their
own govt employment) to their later enlightenment about the ways of
intelligence when reading the Durant/Robertson report.  I find it
interesting that their organization died with them as opposed to NICAP
which continued on under the guidance of CIA's psyops.

I would like to learn more about APRO historically.  They, the
Lorenzens, did not censor the UFO material they collected to the degree
that Keyhoe/NICAP did to make the information publicly and/or
politically salable.

Keyhoe/NICAP was either run as a counterintelligence operation or so
infiltrated that it functioned as one nonetheless.  So many aspects of
Keyhoe and his operation of NICAP didn't make sense and are logically
explicable by using this explanation without invoking any conspiracies
or histrionics. However don't take this to mean that NICAP and its
individual researchers didn't produce anything of validity or merit.  A
good counterintelligence operation often does, as a by-product of
fulfilling its primary but hidden objectives, produce such material, in
fact doing this often enhances the effectiveness of the
counterintelligence operation.

Don't take this to mean that I think APRO was all above board, I don't
have enough information to formulate an opinion on that.  Kevin Randle
while in his twenties was a an APRO field investigator of the Patty
Price case mentioned in the Lorenzen's "Abducted - Confrontations With
Beings From Outer Space, chapter 2 pages 9-24. Berkley Publishing 1977.
Was Kevin working for the Air Force Intelligence service at that time?
The book doesn't say.  I am aware that Kevin participates in the
dialogue on UFO UpDdates and I would find interesting any commentary he
would have on APRO, his investigations, background which brought him
into UFO research, etc.

Gary Alevy