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From: "Clark Hathaway" <earthwrk@cyberport.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:16:00 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:51:37 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Most Authentic Alien Image Ever'

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> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Most Authentic Alien Image Ever'
> Date: Saturday, December 21, 1996 11:10 AM

> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 11:08:23 -0500
> From: "Steven J. Powell" <sjpowell@access.digex.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Most Authentic Alien Image
Ever'
> References: <2.2.32.19961221095531.006dfa18@globalserve.net>
>
> > From: "Clark Hathaway" <earthwrk@cyberport.com>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Most Authentic Alien Image
Ever'
> >
> > the three months between the onset of these flashes of
memory
> > and my undergoing hypno-regression, it would be fair to
state
> > that I was rapidly becoming an emotional basket case. These
> > circumstances were entirely intolerable considering my
military
> > upbringing and certain training and opportunities that I was
> > afforded while in the military.
>
> I understand how it was unacceptable.

The scientific community needs to begin honest research into
this area John, it is long overdue.
I agree with you on the need for monitoring to necessarily
include the equipment and technique as used by
parapsychologists. Perhaps a multi discipline team is called for
in these regards.

> > What I AM suggesting here is that in order to get to the
bottom
> > line in this situation, hypno-regression was necessary. I
> > recognize however, that this would not necessarily be the
case
> > in all instances. Many who are abducted seem to recall
through
> > non-extraordinary means, a great deal of their experience.
Some
> > are going to need this sort of tool in order to begin to get
by
> > the fear.
>
> Psychology has other methods to accomplish things like that.
Using
> hindsight we can look back at your experience and say that we
don't
> think the hypnosis caused any problems and we do think it was
beneficial
> therefore it worked for you.  I can't argue with that <grin>.

I AM willing to concede that I AM fortunate. :-)

> > > Whatever it turns out to be I'm pretty sure it will be
> > strange...<grin>
> > I sincerely hope that you never have the opportunity to
> > experience it.
>
> Well, that's a tough one.  On the one hand were I to have
similar
> experiences I'm sure I'd have a very difficult time regaining
even a
> minimum of objectivity.  (Not having had similar experiences,
and having
> done some research/investigation in the past, its easy for me
to be
> objective.)  Its hard to predict how that would affect me.  On
the other
> hand, without having had those similar experiences I am
missing a piece
> of the puzzle and I realize that.

I understand. I want to stress however, that in dealing with
those who have had these experiences, it is important to attempt
some form of empathy without compromising an attitude of
neutrality as to what these experiences constitute.

> All things considered, if the choice was mine I'd rather
struggle with
> subjective objectivity than struggle trying to understand what
the
> experience is really like.

Sure. But, can a researcher dealing with living, breathing
subjects, afford to treat them with no empathy at all?  I don't
hardly think in this case that the research would be afforded
the time necessary to arrive at even some tentative conclusions.
All that is being asked here John, is that one (the researcher)
realize that the subject HAS in fact come through some kind of
experience that has had a shattering impact on the subject's
life and act accordingly. Most of these folks are extremely
sensitive in some areas John, where they weren't necessarily
that way prior to their experience.

> > In the meantime John, I challenge any other abductee and/or
> > researcher to honestly set aside all of the assumptions and
> > adopted beliefs that have come about as a result of their
> > experience(s).
> > I truly feel that if they do not, then they run the risk of
> > being mere pawns and/or tools of the ones who perpetrated
the
> > abduction(s) in the first place. I strongly feel that they
are
> > placing themselves in a great amount of danger by insisting
on
> > playing the helpless victim.
>
> They _aren't_ helpless victims.  They can help themselves and
other by
> demanding real research and investigation.

Unfortunately John, it is human nature to take the easy way out
and let someone else take responsibility for our plight. I loved
the message from Cathy I believe entitled 'Backlash' where she
referred to those we have to turn to as 'witch doctors'. I
understand her frustration, but the term struck me as funny if
not altogether true.

I still have some problems as a result of my experience as I
still do not know what really happened. The funny thing is that
the first portion of my experience is the most bizarre yet the
most real to me. Lots of paranormal, bizarre occurrences to look
at. Being pulled bodily through the locked steel doors at the
back of my van, levitated across the meadow at a frightful speed
into a brilliant, bluish-white light containing three short,
hazy, fuzzy figures who were obviously being telepathically
communicated with by the being who had ahold of me. etc., etc.

> > of the experience. Based upon my post-abduction experiences
> > John, I have come to the tentative conclusion that these
beings
> > can and do appear as they will and are masters of illusion.
I
> > state this because both Julie and myself have witnessed some
of
> > this with our own eyes.
>
> Well, just going by the standard thematic details 'they' seem
to be able
> to do all sorts of seemingly magical things.

Yup!  However, does this "Magic" constitute advanced technology
as many suggest with absolutely basis, or is it indicative of
perhaps a higher level of psychic ability within those who are
the perpetrators, or perhaps something else altogether ... even
more bizarre?

> > > The risk in thinking that nothing is happenning is the
same as
> > > thinking something specific is happenning and being wrong.
 Whatever
> > > it is that's happenning doesn't apparently know or care
what we
> > > think...
> > It has been my observance that the are smug in their own
> > abilities. They do care when they find that they themselves
are
> > being observed John. They really put on a show of being
> > startled.
>
> Hahahahahaha!!!!!  Interesting...

When you are in a large building late at night and catch
yourself being observed, it is not so funny. If I hadn't arrived
somewhat prepared, I more than likely would have physically
reacted to the startling awareness by jumping. Thus, I would
have given myself away. When whatever it was realized that I was
covertly observing it observing me, it immediately exited the
far end of the room down a parallel hallway to the one at my end
of the room. It should have come out into the large room that
Julie was in but didn't apparently. I searched for any sign of
it in the room (1) off of the hallway it went down, but failed
to find anything. This was but one episode out of a few that
were similar.

> > Wishing you and your wife the happiest of holidays on behalf
of
> > Julie and Myself,
>
> Same to you two!

Thanks John!  :-)

Kindest Regards,

    Clark