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From: "Julianne Presson" <earthwrk@cyberport.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 10:30:06 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 13:01:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Carl Sagan




> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 21:56:38 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Michael Christol <mchristo@atl.mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Carl Sagan
>
> >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:51:11 -0500
> >From: Jerry Washington <skyeking@aye.net>
> >Organization: Kentucky/MUFON
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Sagan & Dr. Boylan

> Hi Jerry.
>
> I agree with you.  While I will not attack "Carl Sagan, The
Man," I will
> gratefully
> acknowledge my lack of regret that "Carl Sagan, the Astronomer
and Debunker"
> is gone.
> Some will reply that you cannot separate the TWO.  I argue
differently.  For his
> and our sake, as a species, it is hoped that we will survive
because, someone
> was able to separate the "chaff" from the "wheat."

Merry Christmas Mike,

I just can not leave this alone. I do not agree with you, this
is beginning to remind me of the book burners. Instead of books
you people are burning Carl Sagan. For anyone to dismiss all of
Sagan's works because he would not take the side of the true
believers is like saying there IS only one side and you people
are on that one -right- side. Those of us who choose to wait for
some form of evidence are all -debunkers- to you. You are saying
those of us who do not agree with you should not say anything.

> The "chaff" being our outer appearances, i.e., Carl Sagan the
Astronomer.
> The "Wheat" on the other hand being "Carl Sagan" the Man.
> That part of him grew and advanced as all others, but that was
the man
> behind the mask.

(shaking head) I AM surprised you see NO value in anything the
Astronomer did. He disagreed because there is NO scientific
evidence and he is condemned for that.

> Unfortunately, it is "The Mask" that most of us knew.  We
judge him by that
> which is seen and heard.

Why judge his opinion at all. That was all it was, it did NOT
shadow all the great works he did as a scientist or man.

> To the "Mask" I say "good riddance."  I'm sorry, but I cannot
be a hypocrite
> about it.  I will not show two different faces to my peers.
That is the
> problem today.  We want to say what will not offend, even
though we know
> it is not so.

You are condemning Carl Sagan for NOT being a hypocrite. He
stood by his beliefs and you say
-good riddance-..... What is really going on here is that those
who -want- to believe there are good aliens coming because they
have been here before feel threatened by a man like Sagan who
voices his opinion. Do you think he should have -not offended-
and kept his opinion to himself? You people who are -happy- that
Carl Sagan is gone (BTW, he left behind a wife, a 5 yr. old son,
and 13 yr old daughter) really need to ask yourselves why you
would be happy about the early death of a person who has made
many positive contributions to this world. You are all -happy-
because he DISAGREED with you... Is there something wrong with
this picture??? YES!


> How much "harm and suffering" has this ego called "Sagan the
Astronomer"
> caused among those unfortunate individuals who happen to be,
like you,
> in the wrong place at the right time?  He has not helped solve
the problem,
> but instead, added to it.  He cannot now change what has gone
before him.
> His mistakes<?> are recorded for all time in history, and
there is no way for
> him to make amends for them.

PLEASE! This business of blaming Sagan for the misery of
abductees is BS and you know it Mike. He was not a Psychologist
or any other sort of mental health provider. He had no contact
or involvement with abductees. This business of condemning
anyone who does not follow the
-party line- and saying anyone who does not take the -party
line- is part of the UFO cover-up and will be punished is really
self righteous and pompous. What if you people are wrong? What
if these abductions are something else? Are you all going to
hell because you did not make amends?

What about all the good Carl Sagan did?

> I pray that those who have suffered the most from his
"attitude" will forgive
> the most.  Ignorance and desire for personal advancement and
recognition
> cause many of us to chose a path which can and often does lead
us into
> the darkness of the abyss, rather than into the light of the
COSMOS.
> In my opinion, this is what happened to Dr. Carl Sagan, "the
Astronomer."

Yes, and it is ONLY your opinion which is based in bias instead
of HONEST investigation of the man's live and contributions.

> I can not profess to say what "Carl Sagan, the Man" felt.  I
am and was
> not familiar with that aspect of his personality.

I guess you have not bothered to read anything about the man
other than the bias written by true believers who want to
silence ANY voice that disagrees.

> Take care Jerry.  May the Love of this Season bridge the
abyss
> which separates us from the Sun/Son of Knowledge and Light.

That will only happen when we as Earth Family ACCEPT the fact
our opinions are only that. It would require something called
Brotherly Love...

Julie