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From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:19:05 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:49:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:19:22 -0400
> From: Graham William Birdsall <106151.1150@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >From: EdKomarek@aol.com
> >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

> >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:42:35 -0700
> >From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Intelligence Agencies and NICAP

[snip]

>  For instance the civilians could
> >be used as a sort of ground observation corps to catch activity
> >that might be missed through more sophisticated surveillance
> >methods.

> >Everybody knows the value of having people in the field to
> >gather raw data.

> Well, the events after the "so-called NICAP take over do
> not bear this out.

> Ed, you are quite correct. Many years ago (approximately 1984-85)
> I was told by Mr A. Mathewson, then head of Defence Secretariat 8
> (DS8) that his office (now Secretariat  Air Staff 2A - the MoDs
> 'UFO Desk') were particularly interested in receiving UFO reports
> from members of the public, police and coastguards etc, at coastline
> locations.

> This was because unusual lights out to sea or just inland could be
> an indicator that illegal smuggling was taking place. I've never
> forgotton those remarks and have repeated them during numerous
> lectures to bring balance to the debate. I'm convinced that what
> was seen as a prudent policy then, exists today, although currently
> the only means available to pass on verbal reports to the MoD is by
> way of answerphone.

> It's ironic that since the demise of the Royal Observer Corps, the eyes of

Of the three observer organizations, the Royal Observer Corps,
US Aircraft Warning Service (AWS)-Ground Observer Corps (ca 1940 to
1944) and the Ground Observer Corps (GOC) (ca 1950 to 1957 (1958
in Canada)), the Royal Observer Corps was the most sucessful and
most respected.  I would urge UK researchers to try to find
the records of the ROC.

Some US GOC UFO reports are in the 4602 Air Intelligence
Service Squadron (AISS) UFO records.  But certainly not
the hundreds that the Civil Defense Directors in Delaware
and Baltimore, Maryland talk about in press stories in
1954.  Carl Fiendt has reviewed huge amounts of state records
in Delaware looking for GOC logs or National Guard records to
confirm these news stories.  So far no luck.

Unfortunately many GOC observers reported stars and planets as
unidentifieds.  The 4602d AISS had no respect for the GOC.

Some minor references I have say that the AWS had many observer
reports that were never identified--about 30%.  I received a report
from a former AWS observer on the West Coast.  In the Summer of 1943
she was a young girl and on duty with an adult.  On their shift
they had never seen a thing.  One morning they saw a cigar-shaped
object which they reported.  They saw it again some days later.
The filter center personnel angrily told them they had recieved
numerous reports of the object, they didn't know what it was, but
not to report it again. Great!!  Sound like confirmation of the
lead.  I have about four AWS UFO-like sightings.

My experience in Connecticut and North Carolina indicates
that AWS files and records may exist in the
state Civil Defense records for the War World II period.

> amateur astronomers and UFO enthusiasts have to be relied upon to

In the early 1950's Hynek tried to organized a fireball/UFO
reporting network using amateur astronomers and the GOC Filter
Centers.  While he was promised cooperation, he had only minor
success.

> report the bulk of unusual aerial activity here in the UK.


 Best regards,

Jan Aldrich