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From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:27:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:21:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 'MUFON HQ'?  Responds To Greer Hearing

> I usually try not to post un-attributted material
> to the List - 'MUFON Staff' means nothing to me and
> is a very odd name for a spokesperson.

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> ebk
> ________________________________________________

> From: EdKomarek@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: MUFON HQ  Responds To Greer Hearings

> MUFON Responds to Greer and CSETI

> I received this public statement mailed from MUFON headquarters
> in response to Steven Greer's and CSETI's activities related to
> hearings in Congress.  I want to thank MUFON for coming out and
> airing their concerns.  I hope FUFOR and CUFOS will do the same.
> I have asked the CSETI folks to post their concerns, hopefully
> following soon after this post.

> I think it will be very healthy to air our concerns in as a
> non-adversarial way as possible.(ha ha)

> The best, Ed Komarek  (ORTK)

Here are my comments on the memo section by section.
Just to set the stage:

1) I don't belong to any of these fine groups at present.

2) I may or may not in the future.

3) The provenance of the memo is important to some of the issues
   I raise below.

4) I think that Ed Komarek should provide information on where this
   email originated from and/or contact the organization(s)or
   individual(s) that created it to provide confirmation of its
   authenticity.

Gary

> ************************************************

> Date: Sat, Apr 26, 1997 11:33 PM EDT
> From: MUFON HQ
> Subj: Re: Fwd: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Congratulations Steven Greer & CSETI
> To: Ed Komarek

> *
> MUFON wants every one on this list to know that Greer is
> not the only person, or group that is trying to work on
> capital hill.

Interesting MUFON never has seen fit to address the members of this
list (UFO UpDates) before.  Now it chooses to do so in an unattributable
way.  One ought to ask oneself, why now?  Why anonymously?

> The UFO Research Coalition has been working for over two
> years at grooming contacts in Washington, and we are sure
> Greer was aware of that.

MUFONHQ knows that he knows that they know.  So what?
That's no revelation with regard to the relationship between
the organizations.  This statement begs the issue of informing
the reader of any relationship or prior interaction between the
two organizations - MUFONHQ and CSETI.

> It has been brought to our
> attention that the briefing document Greer used look very
> much like the one we paid to have put together. If he did
> use our material he did it without permission and against
> our wishes.

An unnamed source informs MUFONHQ that Greer's briefing
document "looks very much like the one we paid to have put together"
So what does MUFONHQ do here.  It issues a veiled, unsubstantiated
accusation that Greer misappropriated MUFONHQ's document.

Without having made any attempt to determine if in fact the MUFONHQ
document was misappropriated, MUFONHQ states "IF he..." the purpose
of this is to create in the readers mind the idea that Greer
did something wrong before there is any proof of this.

> We have not fully assessed the impact of Greer's
> overstated  claims, or the validity of the claimed
> witnesses he presented, but our suspicion is that he has
> set back our 2 years of efforts, creating work instead of
> making progress.

MUFONHQ without having detailed information on what transpired
at the conference (see the last paragraph) attacks Greer;
his claims are "overstated", his witnesses may not be what
they are claimed to be.  They state that they feel, "our suspicion"
is that he has undermined MUFONHQ's two years of efforts.
The reader should ask why is MUFONHQ issuing a statement before
making a full assessment, particularly when that assessment
is negative?

> Since the press seemed to ignore the
> Greer move we hope that this is an indicator that only a
> little damage was done.

MUFONHQ further attempts to discredit Greer by claiming that
his briefing was a failure, MUFONHQ makes an unsubstantiated claim
that Greer was ignored by the press.  (I saw TV coverage in my
area on a national network program - Strange Universe).
The intent here is to create in the unknowing reader's mind
the impression that Greer is ineffectual.
Of course MUFONHQ conveniently ignores the fact that
this meeting was described in advance by Greer/CSETI as a background
briefing only for selected/invited members of the press and
not a news or press conference intended for release of
information to the public.

> If Greer really wants to do something, he needs to persuade
> his money support to get behind our effort, so we can make
> some real progress with a common sense, conservative, well
> thought through planned approach using people that know
> there way around, and know how to conduct themselves.

Now MUFONHQ lays out its own agenda for the reader.  Greer should
have gotten his backer's money behind MUFONHQs effort.  They know
the ropes, the way around and how to conduct this effort; however
unfortunately they don't know how to proofread their memo, the word
their is spelled as there. (Just thought I'd mention).

> Any one having deep detail as to what went on in Washington;
> who was there, by name and position, and who said what, or
> any other details that would allow us to make a damage
> assessment, it would be appreciated if you would pass it to
> us.

> MUFON Staff

This is a fascinating request from MUFONHQ.  What this says
is that even though they did not have substantiated information
in detail they thought it was appropriate to insinuate negative
things about Greer's documentation, claims, witnesses, etc.

Then MUFONHQ requests that "any one having deep detail" i.e.
a participant at the meeting provide information (with a
collections requirement) "names and position, and who
said what" on this meeting which was closed to MUFONHQ.  One can
also anticipate that the individual(s) who do provided this
information to MUFONHQ will be recruited to provide this information
on an ongoing basis.

Who says there is no intrigue or intelligence work being done in
ufology today.  A few nice examples of disinformation and misinformation
here and there, even a request for intelligence report on the
meeting with collection requirements (after reading this memo it
doesn't seem hard to imagine why MUFONHQ was not invited!)

Why this memo even provides a likely scenario for the recruitment
of the person providing information to MUFONHQ for the past meeting.
I don't think its likely after the attitudes revealed in this memo
that MUFONHQ will be invited to future conferences or parties either!
So if MUFONHQ gets a taker to snitch on the CSETI meeting (MUFONHQs
appeal of conscience is that Greer is damaging MUFONHQs "work on capital
hill"; MUFONHQ will probably recruit the source to provide them
information in the future, on the next conference MUFONHQ is not invited
to.

We'll know that if we don't see more of these "public appeal"
memos.  Unfortunately MUFONHQ never sees fit to inform the
reader in the memo what they have been doing on "capital hill" for
two years or provide a cogent arguement as to why they are better
at it than CSETI.

Will MUFONHQ please standup and spell your name(s).

Gary Alevy