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From: Vince_Johnson_at_TENSOR__HSTN@ccmailsmtp.hstn.expl.pgs.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 18:16:50 cst
Fwd Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:14:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Kal Korff Admits He's NOT A Spy! [Jeroen

>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
>To: UFO UpDates -
>Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
 >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Kal Korff Admits He's NOT A Spy!
 >[Jeroen Jansen]

I wrote regarding the Meier affair:

>>To quote Dennis Miller, I don't want to get off on a rant here,
>>but...

>>In light of Meier's proponents here, I suppose there are those
>>among us who would make the case that George Adamski's
>>remarkably similar contactee accounts (also with photos!) are
>>equally valid -- even though, through the *real* scientific
>>discoveries made by the widely lambasted (by UFO True Believers)
>>Carl Sagan, disproved Adamski's Venusian bunkum once and for
>>all.

To which Mike Christol responded:

>I for one, have not seen any "evidence" that Carl Sagan disproved
>anything regarding Adamski's photos, 8 mm color film, etc.
>I know that many want to think it has been disproved.
>However, one must remember, that those photos and color
>films were made in 1952, etc.  There was not the
>sophisticated computer techniques available back then to
>reproduce those type photo's and films.
>Not only that, but very similar UFO pictures were taken of the
>Adamski type UFO in many different countries for many years
>afterwar.

(snip)

>I have also talked to other investigators, who lived in that area
>at the time who went to the place where Adamski allegedly had his
>meeting with the Venusean...this person was impressed with the
>information and the location where the meeting took place.
>I have talked to several people over the years, most of whom
>have passed on now, who thought that there was indeed some
>truth in many of Adamski's stories.

The late Carl Sagan is generally credited as having discovered
that Venus was utterly inhospitable to life -- 900 degrees (but
it's a dry heat) and a crushing atmospheric pressure. In short,
no Venuseans -- case closed on anyone claiming to have met
Venuseans or to have visited Venus -- like Adamski and Meier.

>We don't have to look for those who cannot accept the
>idea that there are many people, whom they consider
>inferrior to themselves, who may have had face to face
>contacts with Alien Intelligences.  It is preposterous to
>these people to consider such an idea.  If these aliens
>were real and were going to contact people, they would
>surely contact a higher intelligent human, such as
>themselves.  Since they can't have these experiences
>themselves, they therefore deny the possibility that it
>actually happened.  In fact they make it their personal
>mission to totally discredit the person
>in question and make that person as unpopular and uncredulous
>as possible.

You seem to be ignoring the possibility that these guys, Adamski
and Meier, deliberately made this stuff up (lied). Naturally,
neither was in possession of information concerning the weather
on Venus -- which, if you accept their stories at face value,
they should have known before Carl Sagan.

Either they made these stories up or the Cosmic Space Brothers
lied to them. Which do you think is more likely?

>It doesn't matter if it is George Adamski, Billy Meier,
>or Travis Walton...these people cannot accept the
>reality of those stories.

Why do you include Walton in this list? Walton hasn't established
himself as an Interstellar Ambassador and Fount of Cosmic Wisdom
like Adamski and Meier.  Unlike UFO cultists, he's told the same
exact story for 20 years with none of the "detail inflation" that
plagues most high-profile contactee accounts. That's why I
consider Walton to be credible.

Adamski & Meier's Venusean/Plieadian Space Brothers have been
heavy on the platitudes, but light on hard data. If they wanted
to be taken seriously, don't you think they might have passed
along some useful tidbit such as verifiable, but previously
unknown, scientific or historical data that would unquestionably
establish their emissaries' bonafides?

Do the Cosmic Space Brothers only want the gullible to believe in
their presence and to follow their "teachings"? Hmmm, sounds like
religion to me.

Nope, all we get are aphorisms and platitudes. Shouldn't that
tell you something? If not, I've got a sample of "alien metal"
I'd be willing to sell you.

Regards,

Vince