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From: Don Allen <dona@totcon.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:30:37 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 22:50:07 -0400
Subject: Re: New York Times Article on Govt UFO Lies

At 09:31 AM 08/03/97 -0400, Kal The Magnificient screamed:

>Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 05:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: New York Times Article on Govt UFO Lies


>Dear List:

>Enclosed is an article from the New York Times documenting our beloved
>government's lies and cover ups about UFOs and certain UFO reports. It is
>similar to the Associated Press story. I assure you, this news is only the
>beginning.

>NOW, LET'S SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE CRITICIZE ME FOR POSTING THIS ARTICLE,
>(REBECCA, DON) AND FOR "TAKING CREDIT" FOR IT. Remember, it's NOT MY article,
>but the New York Times. I mention this specifically so Rebecca doesn't think
>I am trying to "take credit" for it or other such nonsense.

It was in the newspaper this morning and I already had fired up my
OCR stuff just in case no one caught it, however the article was already
posted by Rebecca and EBK posted the 4 parter of the fuller article by
Haines. And now you just posted it again. I guess we have it pretty well
covered now. The article speaks for itself. Can anyone believe anything
the CIA or the Federal Government says? Yep, we all believed the
"Roswell dummies" explanation. Not!

I can't and won't speak for Rebecca, but my only concern here with you
is getting you to document and support your statements. I tried being
"patient" and "nice" with you but you just shined me and others on past
issues. You left me a nice note in email some months back, but never
followed through on posting the rebuttal of Billy Meier. After that
note, I never bothered or harangued you. I mistakenly thought you
would follow through. You didn't. It appears to me, that you're good
at PR but not on actually delivering substance.

I'm here to keep you book-writing "experts" honest. If you post claims,
expect me to ask you hard and direct questions about it. If you state
that Art Bell tried to keep you off radio stations, please post checkable
documentation to support that contention and back it up. If THAT
is true, it's very disturbing and I'll raise a ruckus about it elsewhere.

You claimed that you have witnessess to these flares. Did they also see
parachutes? Does anyone have solid proof of the flight plan of the
A-10's that coincide with the 10 pm time? I will concede the point about
the flares producing enough heat to keep the parachutes up (yes, Dennis
I DO think that *is* the idea) but how is it possible that the parachute
flares are able to remain in a particular spot for (x=20 minutes) ? Wouldn't
wind drift make that difficult? How is it possible that smoke was able
to be seen at 10 pm?

And lastly, I'm so glad I'm not in _your_ shoes when Rebecca reads your
posts to her. :-)

Don









I'm still waiting on YOU to document YOUR claims that Art Bell "conspired"
to keep YOU off radio. Back it up mister.

You mentioned witnessess to these flares. Were actual parachutes found?