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From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:52:46 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:32:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Earth lights - Objections


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 8/11/97 9:03 PM:
>  From: DRudiak@aol.com
>  Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:56:22 -0400 (EDT)
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Earth lights - Objections

>  First, what are the energy requirements?  For simplicity, let's assume 100%
>  energy  efficiency and devise a model craft.  A classic 10 meter diameter
>  saucer 2 meters thick will do.  How much will it weigh?  If the alien
>  engineers can do no better than a fully fueled and loaded 747 which weighs
>  around 400,000 pounds, then our much smaller saucer will, believe it or not,
>  weigh only about 5000 pounds or about 2000 kg, only slightly more than a
>  standard automobile.  For obvious reasons, jet planes are made of
>  lightweight
>  materials like aluminum, and are mostly air on the inside.  Consequently,
>  their specific gravity is surprisingly low when you work it out.  ...And
>  since I propose they carry no conventional fuel for energy and use the
>  structure of the craft itself for energy storage and propulsion, that
>  eliminates even more weight.  But we'll conservatively stick to the mass of
>  2000 kg.

This is a great post, and I'm looking forward to doing a more detailed
analysis. I did,
however, just want to mention that Hill's analysis of the Quaroble UFO showed
an approximate weight of 30 tons (60,000 lbs (30k kg?)), and a mass density
about 96% of water, close to submarine density, and higher than aircraft
density.

In my view, this does not invalidate the calculation, but it does change the
numbers.

I'm curious - does anyone know of a source for estimated weights from landing
traces? If so, could you please post a reference, and perhaps a few examples to
give us the range of weights to discuss?

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