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From: skywatch@wic.net (SKYWATCH) [Col. Steve Wilson]
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:35:18 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:09 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOR: USAF Spec. Academy

> Date:          Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:27:21 -0400
> To:            updates@globalserve.net
> From:          UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject:       UFO UpDate: Re: UFOR: USAF Spec. Academy

> From: RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates]
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:42:02 -0400 (EDT)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFOR: USAF Spec. Academy

> In a message dated 97-08-25 12:18:53 EDT, you write:

> >  Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:10:16 -0400 (EDT)
> >  From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org>
> >  Subject: UFOR: USAF Spec. Academy (Three Good Questions.)
> >  (Feedback) To: updates@globalserve.net

> >  From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>

> >  Has any evidence of any kind been provided to establish that any of
> >  the claims of Colonel Wilson are true? How about some documentation
> >  like DD

> Gee whiz <big grin at this point> I didn't think we needed verifiable
> documentation, after all we have no VERIFIABLE documentation that a
> group concerned with "UFOs\Roswell" was called MJ-12,  (the verifiable
> "documentation only "proves" that their was a special meeting for the
> MJ-12 SSG scheduled after one of the NSC meetings during the
> Eisenhower administration.   We don't know what that group in fact
> did.

> We still can't quite verify that the MJ-12 briefing document is
> true.  But we can't "verify" that its a hoax either.

> *We can "verify" that their was a meeting with Pres. Elect Eisenhower
> in the Pentagon on Nov 18, 1952 because it was in the newspapers/public
> records etc. However there exists no verifiable record anywhere that
> says Eisenhower received a briefing from Roscoe on MJ-12.

> So one could say using MJ-12 logic "Well even if Col Steve's claims
> can't be proven with verifiable documentation/records, it doesn't
> mean it didn't happen.

> >  214, how he knows how many are being shot down, where he worked on
> >  Project Pounce? Just what weapons are used to shoot them down?
> >  Where does the wreckage go? Others who were involved? Claims come
> >  easy... like the false opnes of Bob Lazar, Guy Kirkwood, Michael
> >  Wolf etc...
>
> Speaking of claims, don't forget Bill "I am working with the OSI on a
> UFO disinformation program" Moore, Gerald Anderson, Glen "I haven't been
> able to name the nurse/she can't be located" Dennis, Jim Ragsdale, and
> other Roswell witness who have changed their stories, sworn out new
> statements and or told new tales to new people.

> >  A very skeptical
> >  Stan Friedman

> I am sure that Stan would totally understand why people are just as
> skeptical of the MJ-12/Roswell claims as he is of Col. Wilson's.

> Cheers,
> Robert

Note: I want to answer this one, although I seldom do, being that I have
to defend nothing.  First, I have sent Hamilton and Boylan copies of my
DD-214 "for their eyes only" since I HAVE been working with them.  If
they should break this trust, they would never get one more word out of
me.  I offered Friedman my help in the beginning two years ago and was
blown off like a dirty shirt.  He'll just have to dig for it now.  And
second, I was so deep in the Black Projects that no one will find me
without my help.  Putting it bluntly, you need me more than I need any
of you as I'm the one with a FEW of the answers.  This is my last word
on the subject, so keep on cutting, if not me it would be some other
poor soul............Col.

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