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From: Julie Presson <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 14:36:01 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 20:44:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Just what is an abduction experience?


> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Just what is an abduction experience?
> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 08:17:14 EST

> >From: rfsignal@sprynet.com [Cathy Johnson]
> >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:07:47 -0800
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Jacobs on Abductions & O.B.E.s
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> My compliments to the list and to Cathy.


Hi Jack,

[...]

> It would seem there is confusion on the part of some as to
> what actually takes place in the physical sense.  Too many
> want to associate a purely psychological reason for your
> kind of experience. So, please put the doubting Thomases
> and arm-chair psychologists into a more enlightened
> frame of thought.


I wanted to address this part of your message as there seems to
be some confusion or lack of understanding of paranormal activity
verses psychological manifestations.

First off they are NOT the same thing. Does that mean a person
who experiences a paranormal event is imagining what happened.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! In my believe system paranormal events are REAL
in all ways. The point that has not been mentioned here to my
knowledge is this, what affects the astral body is seen on the
physical body. Anyone who has studied the older material by
people like Blavatsky, Leadbeater, or Fortune to name a few knows
this. It is one of the primary teachings in the older Occult
works. There is more than the physical body and all students of
the Occult (Which means Hidden and nothing more) and anyone who
have bothered to read at all anything that was published before
the rash of New Age material started coming out in the late 70s
knows this. Yes, there is a vast difference between New Age
practitioners and those who are serious students of the Occult. I
see people confusing the two because of a lack of understanding
often here and elsewhere, or throwing it around to try and
discount other peoples view of abduction.

Now if a person wants to believe there experience is explainable
with a physical explanation that is their right, however there is
no way they should discount the experiences of those who see it
as a paranormal event. We all have to remember we are going to
reference our experience from the view of reality we are choosing
to view at any given time. So is anyone wrong in there view,
NO...not at this point anyway. Why??? Because there is NO
concrete evidence to base what abduction is at this time. It is
all speculation as to what the foundation of the event is. All we
have as humans is our subjective view of the experience. My
subjective perspective after seeing and experiencing is that it
is inter-dimensional and NOT purely physical in nature. To
someone else they think it is purely physical. So you are never
going to get a consensus on this until there is some honest
properly done research on abduction. And you still may not have
an answer...

> You know me, Cathy, and know I am not asking this in a
> tongue-in-cheek manner.  ...But in a legitimate quest to
> educate those who really don't know what it's all about.

Jack, do you know what it is all about? You are asking Cathy to
relate her subjective view, not the view of every person ever
abducted. Her experience is very different than Clarke's, so
should that invalidate his experience? I think we both know the
answer to that, no. No ONE persons view of there experience
should invalidate anyone else's. When it is allowed to then the
person who is trying to force their view on the world needs to
ask themselves why their view is anymore valid than anyone
else's. We all need to remember we are ONLY sharing our view here
or elsewhere on abduction or anything else for that matter. :-)

However a complete psychological makeup is a necessary tool in
real research by a "real" team of Therapists who are objective on
the subject of abduction. A complete family history, personality
inventories, etc. I believe this should be done in a double blind
study so there is one team the subject is sent to that has no
idea the person feels they were abducted. There is no need to
even mention it for the proper testing to be done to get a good
view of the personality types and family history of the people
that are experiencing these events. I would bet there are a
number of abductees who would be willing to do this around the
country. This testing has nothing to do with finding out if
someone is crazy, it has everything to do with creating a profile
and nothing more. If anyone thinks it is for anything other than
objective research then they need to ask themselves why they
would object to "real" honest objective research into this.
Research is an important and valid tool when done properly.

It is to easy for a few people to say you insulted them by giving
your view to stop any honest information exchange and censor the
views of others on abduction. Are we here to find out what is
really going on, or are we here to stroke the egos of a few
people??? I AM here to find out what is really going on and if
that steps on the toes of a few people them so-be-it. After all
we are supposed to be adults, right. ;-)

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to walk though the door
you opened with this message to express my views openly and
honestly.

Julie