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From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:34:50 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:14:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Jacobs on Abductions & O.B.E.s


> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:41:34 -0700
> From: "Clark Hathaway" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Jacobs on Abductions & O.B.E.s

> > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 12:15:53 -0800
> > From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Jacobs on Abductions & O.B.E.s

> Ted:

> What Part of my declaration of these constituting MY experiences
> did you not understand?  Or is it perhaps that your capacity for
> comprehension of what you read merely extremely low?

> John has his experiences and I have mine as does Paul.
> I do NOT believe that it is incumbent upon you, myself or anyone
> else to state that any experience is more or less valid than the
> next one. This is not a competition here.

> There are NO prizes. I cannot speak for Paul, only my perception
> of what he was stating ... which by the way appeared far
> different to me apparently than it did to you, John and perhaps
> more than I care to think about. Perhaps you would be well served
> to ponder my remarks as to the emergence of 'Techno Bigotry".

> > I am so envious of Paul and Clarke.  The depths of their wisdom, and
> > the breadths of their vision empower them to declare the true nature
> > of poor John Velez's experiences.  Such learned men are immune from
> > the rabbled protestations of "Sophistry!"

> > Bye...  Ted..

> Not so fast Ted...

> Why is it that I AM seeing no mention of John's professed
> education in at least one esoteric organization as well as his
> stated 'years long' practice of meditation?

> It is NOT my problem if You, John or anyone else for that matter
> choose to view my experiences as well as my opinions as personal
> attacks. The bottom line Ted is this. If John or anyone else is
> going to use their experiences and/or credentials in an effort to
> prop-up their opinions as being those with the only validity,
> then it is only fair, proper and to be expected that others be
> afforded the same right.

> Your sarcasm in this matter only serves to display for all to see
> that there are components within my views that serve to greatly
> threaten your own. Otherwise your reaction would not be so
> vitriolic. Notice that I mention Reaction rather than response.
> There happens to be a great deal of difference between the two.

> Clarke Hathaway


Cough, hack, wheeze, "Pheww!"

Forgive me, I have been reduced to a roaring quivering mass
rocking on the floor.  So tempted am I to write a short comedic
skit of a poor man succumbing to spasmodic guffaws, struggling to
sit at his keyboard as convulsions repeatedly quake his desk
scattering his computer equipment about him in a pile.  Alas,
since it takes this mildly autistic fool over an hour to compose
each page of good text, I will pass on the effort.

Permit me to say that I cannot find ANY of the claims that Clarke
makes about me in his reply in the substance of my letter.

Allow me to respond by saying that Clarke's reply portrays my
point...

Bye...  Ted..