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From: wlmss@pegasus.com.au [Lawrie Williams]
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 21:14:29 +1000 (GMT+1000)
Fwd Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:02:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Hindu Mythology & ETH, Sun-discs, etc.
>From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Hindu Mythology & ETH, Sun-discs, etc.
>Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:18:44 -1000
>>From: wlmss@pegasus.com.au [Lawrie Williams]
>>Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:23:30 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Hindu Mythology & Ramblings.
>>The world was remade c. 4000 bc by a close encounter with a mass
>>of cometary debris that gassed the world with CO and generated
>>such massive oceanic tidal surges that essentially civilization
>>was sent back to scratch....
>No, It wasn't. If we use no other records but the written
>records, Sumerian life was well established in large cities
>(Eridu, Ur, Uruk, Nippur, Kish and Lagash) by 4,000BC. Sailboats,
>wheeled vehicles, potter's wheels and kilns were in general use.
>Copper was smelted and tempered from c 4,000BC.
"This world-order [the same for all] did none of gods or
men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an ever-
lasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in
measures." Herakleitos of Ephesus, fr. 30
8 Core issue - the UFO phenomenon may be related to
8 not-quite-vanished civilizations driven underground,
8 skywards or into other dimensions by the danger of
8 ironstone, gas, ice and CO from the sky. If the last
8 option was developed, that could help account for
8 weird things like invisibility, ley lines &tc.
There are at least two vectors, one is Scorpio - (the sting is in
the tail) and the archer (nearby) which in other words says he
fires arrows at the Earth, like the mythical arrow of Acestes
that went so fast it caught fire.
The other is Sirius, the vector of a positive flurry of comets
and intrasolar flotsam and jetsam including what appeared to be
coal, organic life forms, broken pottery, blood and mud. Nobody
has ever worked out how these unidentified falling objects came
about.
One thing is for sure, mainstream science not only has not got
the answers but it has not had a fair look at the data.
Written records exist of the total destruction of old Sumeria -
it is vividly described in "The Epic of Gilgamesh" (XI), which
tells of Addad the black storm cloud, of the rain of blight and
how "the wide Earth shattered like a pot!", then the incredible
wind from the south that fetched up the sea and submerged the
land for a week, and the ultimate scene -
"....all of mankind had returned to clay
The landscape was as level as a flat roof"
>Other contemporaneous evidence shows Neolithic traits and
>population centers developing without interruption in North,
>Central and South America, SE Europe and the middle east from c
>10,000BC and for South and East Asia, Western Europe and
>sub-Saharan Africa from c 6,000BC.
No. The Earth has been going through semi-periodic bouts of
catastrophes for tens of thousands of years. This is in our
history (see below) and it is backed up by the evidence of
extreme fluctuations in gas and dust in ancient Greenland ice.
What is taught in schools and colleges is directly contradicted
by the literature in the same libraries. Accounts of terrifying
bombardment from the skies and massive flooding on the Earth are
to be found from almost everywhere. Graham Hancock's "Finger-
prints of the Gods" is a good source for those interested,
although I've collected many other accounts.
One telling body of evidence is in the distribution of *pykkos*
(nickel-iron meteorites) - it is only found in the uppermost
layers. For millions of years beforehand lumps of nickel-iron
never fell from the sky. [ See meteors: Britannica - the book ]
Our kind of civilization built as it was on collected fallen iron
might not have happened otherwise.
Perhaps the Egyptians put it best of all when they spoke to
Solon, who relayed the account to Plato:
"You are all young in your minds which hold no store of old
belief based on long tradition, no knowledge hoary with age.
The reason is this. There have been, and will be hereafter,
many and divers destructions of mankind, the greatest by
fire and water, though other lesser ones are due to countless
other causes.......... the truth behind it is a deviation of
the bodies that revolve in heaven round the earth and a
destruction, occurring at long intervals, of things on earth
by a great conflagration...... Any great or noble achievement
or otherwise exceptional event that has come to pass, either
in your parts or here or in any place of which we have tidings,
has been written down for ages past in records that are
preserved in our temples; whereas with you and other peoples
again and again life has only lately been enriched....when
once more, after the usual period of years, the torrents from
heaven sweep down like a pestilence, leaving only the rude and
unlettered among you. And so you start again like children,
knowing nothing of what existed in ancient times here or in
your own country.....your people remember only one deluge,
though there were many earlier....."
In Plato's "Timaeus" we also read of the Earth:
"...overtaken by a tempest of winds....alien fire from without,
and with a solid lump of earth.........the immense flood which
foamed in and streamed out...."
This seems like an unambiguous description of a near miss by a
comet. Here is another perspective:
"Tradition says the world was destroyed on the seventeenth
of the month Daesius (May) when the sun rose in conjunction
with the star Sirius......
" ..... the sculptured stones of Scotland, and in especial
the Golspie Stone, near Inverness, have preserved the memory of
that period by the juxtaposition of the signs of the Zodiac,
which give the approximate date, a date I estimate to have been
about 156O B.C., a date much later than Plato's Atlantis is
usually accredited with. Be that as it may, we find classic
writers like Tatian, Clement, and Eusebius all agreed that the
Phaeton "escapade" was identical with the Deucalion Flood in
Hellas, as that was coincident with the Flood of Noah, and
these writers linked the Deucalion Flood with the Dog-star
Sirius, from whose direction the twin comets emanated.....
"...The event was both violent and sudden. It struck the
highest mountains and the lowest valleys, bombarded the
resisting heights from the directon of the north and
north-east, rained a storm of the most devastating rocks
and stones, and much of it must have fallen in a state of
liquid fire...."
[Comyns Beumont "The Mysterious Comet" Rider & Co London 1932]
>Oh...Cometary debris gassed the world with carbon monoxide?
>carbon monoxide is a byproduct of rapid oxidation (combustion).
>One of the requirements is a combustible material (fuel).
>Another is oxygen. The CO is generated as the burning material is
>incompletely consumed in an oxygen environment.
It could equally be produced inside the "thermos flask" conditons
of a comet. One reaction comes to mind right away could be hot
carbon and iron oxide reacting, the C reducing the ferrous or
ferric oxides (like they were fuel) to iron and carrying away CO
and some CO2. That is how furnaces work on Earth too.
>I am not saying that CO molecules cannot be detected in the
>tails of comets.
CO and CO2, water and cyanide and rotten egg gas, as well as dust
of carbon, probably highly ionized and, as predicted by Velikovsky,
hydrocarbons:
<snip>
>"The discovery of ethane was a blinding surprise,"
>according to research team leader Dr. Michael J. Mumma of the
>Laboratory for Extraterrestrial Physics at NASA's Goddard
>Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD. The spectral lines, or
>identifying signature of ethane gas, "were so bright they
>seemed to leap off the computer screen when we got the first
>observation," Mumma said.
>I am saying that comets are not balls of frozen carbon monoxide
Agreed. CO has a very low boiling point, for starters.
Comets are balls of frozen methane and ammonia and ice and H2S
and a whole lot of other stuff too. The same material essentially
that Jupiter and Saturn shrug off. It is part of the ecology of
the solar system. I believe the Earth would have died of lack of
air and water billions of years ago except for this constant
process of replenishment.
Instead it has been slowly growing and it could be that everytime
nature resets the clock, someone else comes in and sows it all
again. Or so the ancients theorized.
So there is another explanation for the current phenomena, there
is a genetic salvage operation going on. And the level of
activity and their disconcern for whether they are seen or not
could mean we are all going to get wiped away pretty soon anyway.
>that periodically gas the earth. If a comet of sufficient size
>were to strike earth it could do some damage, but passing through
>a cloud of cometary flotsam, including millions of tons of
>imaginary carbon monoxide, is not a threat.
Yes it is!
The Greenland ice cores as described and discussed in [Scientific
American Oct 1994 special issue 'Life in the Universe`] and the
human record both suggest to us cyclic catastrophes.
Problem with HB is it can clip the orbit of both Jupiter and the
Earth. If there was a big smash in the past - and it looks like
there was - then a lot of the stuff caused by the smash is now
going to be following in the wake of the comet, decades behind
maybe, or perhaps arriving this week.
Velikovsky actually wrote an entire book about the process of
collective denial that most of humanity engages in with respect
to these events. Another reason could be that Big Religion
cannot face the fact that Jehova/God must have been a comet:
"Behold the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
and turneth it upside down.....the inhabitants of the earth are
burned and few men left...." Isaiah 24:1-6.
"Fear, and the pit, and the snare are upon thee, O inhabitant
of the earth......for the windows from on high are open, and
the foundations of the earth do shake. The earth is utterly
broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved
exceedingly." Isaiah 24:17-19.
"....there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt for
three days...." (Exodus 10:22)
"...fear....poor men....the land is not light because of it."
(Ipuwer Scrolls 9:11)
"....and the lord sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran
along the ground; and the Lord rained hail upon the land of
Egypt, so there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail,
very grevious... (Ex 9:23)
"Why really, gates, columns and walls are consumed by fire."
(Ip 2:10)
"...and the hail smote every herb of the field, and smote
every tree...." (Ex 9:25)
"Why really, trees are destroyed....no fruit or herbs are
found for the birds.....grain has perished on every
side...." (Ip 5:12)
"Behold now, the fire has mounted up on high. It's flame
goes forth against the enemies of the land....." (Ip 7:1)
"And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go....
the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to
lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give
them light. (Ex 13:19)
>>I see that mainstream science has just started to recognize this
>>seriously. I wrote about a big dark comet apparently coming in
>>1994, before HB was reported.....
>HB was NEVER giving off a million tons of CO every day.
It was reported in New Scientist 2nd November 1996 that Dave
Jewitt et al. at the Uni. of Hawaii had discovered last September
"...that Hale Bopp was throwing out vast amounts of carbon
monoxide - around a tonne of gas per second...." plus about a
third as much CO2.
That is a mere 86 400 tons per day, but following reports caused
estimates to be revised sharply upwards to 6 and then 8 tons per
second. I'll see if I can find references to this. One obstacle
is that astronomers (believe it or not) are putting up barriers
saying they won't let their data be used for "pseudoscience".
(See the RAS site for instance.)
I try to be accurate but my files have been through their own
recent bout of cataclysm and punctured equilibrium. :)
>The fact is that anyone who keeps their house airtight for a
>month during the winter may well get carbon monoxide poisoning.
>But it will probably be from your advice to do so, not from any
>comet!
I agree! That is not what I meant. Since an early symptom of CO
poisoning is lethargy and headaches, I am sure most people would
have the sense to open some windows at that stage. I meant
"overnight".
Astronomers work from the assumption that the solar system they
are observing in the 20th century is much like the solar system
of 4000 BC. It wasn't. Not long ago there were dazzling comets
everywhere, the "celestial gods" that some mythographers thought
were UFO's. These objects are the planet-grazers, many orbiting
well out of the plane of the ecliptic. They are known to be
relatively recent.
While many are still up there the volatiles are gone now and most
are mere cinders - the reduced iron I suggest gets cooked up
inside the big comets.
As for evidence of widespread poisoning as a result of CO
arriving silently and unexpectedly from the skies, I can only
reaffirm that I have found many references to this encoded in the
old "myths". But this file is much too long already.
Oh, and that rain that falls from the sky about now, perhaps with
the essence of Jupiter and Saturn in it - is what was known as
lucent or holy water. Collect it if you can. It might help induce
that boggling here-but-there-too experience that can be mistaken
for astral travel, abduction, melding with the god of your choice
or one hell of a nightmare, depending on what you resonate with.
Sigh. More speculation.
Awfully On-Topic Lawrie Williams________________
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