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From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 21:12:08 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:01:02 -0500
Subject: UFOs and CounterIntelligence

> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:30:44 -0500
> From: "Steven J. Powell" <sjpowell@access.digex.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Philosophy of Science and UFOs
> References: <2.2.32.19961230154433.0073d5c8@mail.globalserve.net>

> > From: Greg Sandow <GSANDOW@prodigy.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Philosophy of Science and UFOs

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> > A classic example is Donald Menzel's "explanation" of the famous
> > New Guinea case.

> It was apparent then and its very apparent today that Menzel relied on
> science only rarely when trying to explain (away) UFO sightings.  It
> wasn't known then and it is known now that Menzel worked for the CIA at
> the time and was almost certainly doing what he did to assist the goals
> expressed by the Robertson Panel.

> > The place to find this mental haze at its most pronounced is, I think,
> > in the SETI literature. Here you have what I believe is the only
> > (semi-) organized group of scientists who think or write much about
> > aliens. And they've reached a definite consensus. There are alien
> > races all over the galaxy, possibly millions of them, some a billion
> > years more advanced than we are. But none of them can visit each
> > other, because interstellar travel just isn't possible.
> > I just smile when I read that stuff. Interstellar travel on any
> > regular basis would be hard to imagine for us, right now -- there's no
> > doubt about that. But for beings a billion years ahead of us? Who
> > could possibly say? It's the height of antrhopomorphic arrogance to
> > imagine we can say anything at all about beings a billion years ahead
> > of us. So I'm not going to say they <do> travel between the stars. I
> > have no idea. But neither does Frank Drake -- the leader of the SETI
> > forces -- have any business thinking he knows, either.


Some of the anomalous statements and behaviour of the scientists
performing SETI research made me wonder if there was another instance of
Menzelian science being performed.

If biographical research of the sort which Stanton Friedman performed so
rewardingly with Menzel interests you, take a look at background of
Frank Drake.

Why should anyone think that the subtrefuge performed by Menzel ended
with his  retiring from the ufo field and or his death?

Is it rational or logical to assume that the intelligence community's
activities in this  field were staffed by that one person and the
operation and functions he performed   stopped when he retired?  There
is no basis for this assumption based on the Robertson/Durant  report.

Gary