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From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:10:36 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:10:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Bob Shell & Volker Spielberg

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Date: 23 Jan 97 19:45:21 EST
From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@CompuServe.COM>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bob Shell & Volker Spielberg

>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:47:47 +0100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jorgen Westman <wufoc@wufoc.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bob Shell & Volker Spielberg


Jorgen,

>I've been a journalist for 12 years and I have never ever been given true
>answers by being nice and drop a serious question (as I have discovered >to
>many times afterwards).
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My father was a radio newsman after the war and went into TV as soon as there
was TV, and was a TV newsman until he retired.  He did some hard hitting
investigative stories in his day, and was the man who broke the Francis Gary
Powers U-2 spy plane shoot down story, and he was one of the first to seriously
investigate the periodical UFO "flaps" in Wytheville, Virginia.  My mother was a
newspaper woman until she retired.  I have been in the magazine business for
over 20 years, and my 18th book just rolled off the presses this week.  So
please don't lecture me on journalism.  My father, mother, and I have always
followed the old "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" philosophy,
and it has served us all well.  Nothing at all is accomplished by not being nice
to people you are interviewing.
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>What would suggest that there ever was a crashsite at the location you
>visited? Wouldn't it be quite "clean-picked" by now?

>And how did you come up with a location? From the cameraman?
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You really haven't been following this story, have you?  This is all old news.
But I'll go over it one more time.  Last year I went out to Socorro to have a
look around and see if I could find any local witnesses to anything happening in
the area in 1947.  Mike Hesemann was out there as well for part of the same
time, and we interviewed one eye witness to a fireball which came down on May
31, 1947 together.  I wanted to try and find the crash site, so I called Ray and
he called Jack.  He had jack on one line and me on another.  He relayed detailed
instructions to me on where the crash had happened.  I tried for two days to
locate the place he described, but so many of his landmarks were no longer there
that I could not be sure that I had the right road.  I think he is describing a
place on the southeast edge of the Plains of San Agustin, since he specifically
refers to a dry lake bed and the only dry lake beds anyone around the area know
of are in this region.  I hope to get more detailed directions from Jack face to
face at some point and return to the area and try again to find the site.  After
the military's cleanup I do not expect to find any debris, but would like to
pinpoint the crash location as accurately as possible.
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>If you earn so much money, why expressing your sadness of not being paid
>enough and in need of publishers money?
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I believe in being paid for what I do, and do not plan to put any more money out
of my pocket into this research.  This is only a peripheral sideline to me, not
my life.  BTW, if you consider that a lot of money, maybe you are in the wrong
line of work.
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>Wouldn't it seem more "upright/honest" to not take money from the man >(Ray
>Santili) you're supposed to investigate and give us the truth about in >your
>upcoming book? - as you seem to be able to afford it.
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Maybe you have some aversion to making money.  I don't.  I took no vow of
poverty (nor chastity!!!).  Ray asked me to look into the crash site and said he
would reimburse some of my expenses if I did.  Otherwise I probably would not
have made the trip. Ray doesn't know if Jack is telling the truth or not, or if
the film is real or not, and he hoped I could find verification of at least one
part of Jack's story.
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I think all of this pathological interest in who made how much money is silly,
and not likely to lead to answers to anything.

Bob