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From: James Easton <100626.2242@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:41:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:57:27 -0500
Subject: 'Autopsy Cameraman' Interview Transcript

From what's been said publicly and from correspondence with Ray Santilli,
it's possible to piece together the story of the video showing a person who
claims to be the "alien autopsy" cameraman.

According to Robert Kiviat, the Executive Producer of the US FOX Network's
"Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction" documentary, Ray Santilli, "arranged to
have the cameraman answer 25 of my questions concerning the story".

It's understood that on 12th July, 1996, the tape was delivered to Robert
Kiviat and Gary Shoefield, Ray Santilli's business partner, at a
prearranged hotel room in New York. Kiviat was allowed to watch the video
three times, but was not given the tape.

The tape was handed over by a man who claimed to be the cameraman's son and
apparently this person also appears briefly on the video tape.

An opinion from someone who has seen the video tape, is that the person on
film has a strong New York accent.


On 9 December, 1996, during an on-line internet interview with OMNI, Kiviat
stated, "I have that video "in the can" as we say and we are planning a
possible broadcast to show the cameraman's face for the first time on
television anywhere. Unfortunately, it's not a full interview and it may
not be up to network television standards. I am doing the best I can.
Truly".

Referring to the possibility of showing the video to Retired Air Force
Lieutenant Colonel Daniel A. McGovern, a former combat cameraman who has
offered to speak with the cameraman in confidence, Kiviat added, "If I had
it my way, I'd be flying to McGovern's house tonight to show him the
footage. The only reason I can't do that is because my agreement with
Santilli is that we both hold rights to the cameraman's interview and I
have to clear that with him. My guess is that sometime in the next few
months during the course of producing another program, McGovern will be
shown the footage. That's my hope. Santilli clearly is asking for more
money and to have it be part of a production that I would make.
Unfortunately, I do not have a green light for production yet".


Some time after Kiviat had been allowed to view the video, it was also
shown on separate occasions to Michael Hesemann and Bob Shell.

On Friday 16 August, 1996, during a German speaking conference on one of
the CompuServe forums, Hesemann revealed full details of the video.

I wrote to Ray Santilli asking if he would like to comment on this
disclosure and he replied, "I am sorry that news of the cameraman's
interview is out, however please note at present there are NO plans to use
it".

He also added, "The whole thing will be attempted again later this year".

During subsequent discussions, he spoke of his dilemma with the tape; "The
content of the cameraman's interview really wasn't the problem. The problem
revolved around the way in which it was filmed. To cut a long story short
he insisted on filming it himself as he wanted to be in control of the
lighting and the style of the interview - he wanted his image in
silhouette. However expert he may of been with film in the old days, he
made a complete mess of the shoot on digital tape because by turning up the
brightness of any viewer you could get a clear picture of the man himself.
The other problem was his nervousness - for the most part you can see him
shaking.

It is great film footage however we have promised not to let it go".


This final comment, makes the sale of the broadcast rights something of a
surprise.


Although it may seem that the person alleged to be the cameraman's son
brought the _previously unseen_ video for Kiviat to view and Shoefield to
take back to London, that's perhaps not the case.

On 9 May, 1996, researcher and journalist Robert Irving, told me of a phone
call he had received earlier that day from a colleague at the BBC. The BBC
had apparently been contacted by a known associate of Santilli's and
offered the broadcast rights to a video of the "alien autopsy" cameraman
answering some questions.

Santilli's associate had told the BBC of the background to the video and
as Robert Irving recalled, "Fox TV - who hold the US rights to the
interview - sent an audio tape of questions to Ray Santilli, who passed
them on to the cameraman. The cameraman then conducted his solitary
interview in silhouette, with the video running. So far, so good...
presumably Fox could add cutaways later. Apparently, the cameraman (or
someone) decided the silhouette wasn't dark enough, so his face is having
to be pixelated, and an actor's voice-over added".

Although this story was merely of passing interest at the time, in
hindsight, there seems a strong case that this was the same interview which
later surfaced in a New York hotel bedroom.



"After filming I had several hundred reels. I separated problem reels which
required special attention in processing. These I would do later. The first
batch was sent through to Washington, and I processed the remainder a few
days later. Once the remaining reels had been processed, I contacted
Washington to arrange collection of the final batch. Incredibly, they never
came to collect or arrange transportation for them. I called many times and
then just gave up. The footage has remained with me ever since".

Ray Santilli alleges this to be the cameraman's own story of the monumental
foul-up which allowed him to store the reels of "Roswell" film.

But one point which seems quite clear is that these were not the occasional
"problem" reels from the autopsy, these reels contain most, if not in fact
all, of the film which he shot.

The clues are in the documentation of the reels, as demonstrated in
"Roswell: The Footage", the video released by Ray Santilli's own company,
Roswell Footage Ltd. This contains the "raw" footage and helpfully, each
reel is preceded by a description.

The autopsy footage reportedly consists of the following reels:

Reel No. 53              Body No. 2          10:05
Reel Un-numbered    Body/Leg             10:20
Reel No. 56              Body/Leg No. 2    10:40
Reel No. 59              Chest No. 2
Reel No. 61              Chest No. 2
Reel No. 62              Head/Eyes No. 2
Reel No. 63              Head No. 2          11:30
Reel No. 64              Head No. 2
Reel Un-numbered    Brain                   11:45

The time is taken from the clock visible at certain points.

The last reel isn't numbered, but the content follows on from the previous
reel and judging by the time on the clock, it would seem to be "Reel No.
65".

The first reel, which does show the opening sequences, is "Reel No. 53" and
the total number of reels would therefore be thirteen. Ray Santilli has at
least nine of those reels and as the cameraman's story claims that none of
them were never forwarded, then, at best, only four reels of film could
ever have been.

And that's assuming Santilli doesn't have them also. He claims, "a good 50%
of the footage we had, we were not able to retrieve an image from",
although there seem to be anomalies with that claim.


The "second autopsy" footage released by Santilli is only one of two such
films he has. The other, claimed to be the "first autopsy", was shown
privately to a few people, but has never been released on video. It's
apparently very similar, but features a slightly smaller body, which has
no visible injuries.

Judging from descriptions, Santilli again seems to have most, if not all,
of this film.


It might be conceivable that a few "problem" reels could be overlooked, but
the story is actually about two unique and historical films of inestimable
scientific and medical value, yet, seemingly of no subsequent interest to
anyone.

Despite the certain government and military concerns about the Russians
acquiring some knowledge of the incident and, more importantly, the
technology which was recovered, the security procedures were so strict and
the "cover up" so thorough, that the cameraman could take home over 20
reels of film showing the recovery, debris, both autopsies and even some
film confirming the presence of President Truman!

That's exactly what Ray Santilli claims to have acquired - although the
recovery and Truman images were unfortunatley "irretrievable".

It may seem a somewhat incredulous scenario, nevertheless, it is the true
perspective of the "Roswell" footage story.



James.
E-mail: pulsar@compuserve.com