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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:39:05 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 05:05:21 -0400
Subject: {77} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network
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U K / / // ___/ / / ' July 10th, 1997
/ / // / / / / N E T W O R K part 1 Issue 77
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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 40 countries.
This issue comes in 2 parts. If any part is missing please mail:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be
reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject
section e.g. Repost {77} part 1 or part 2
In this issue:
Editorial
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Appologies
USAF Roswell press release 24th June 1997
Problems with downloading Real Audio files?
Real Audio
IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
NASA TV live in the UK
Sightings on the Radio
Nick Pope
1000 + subscribers
- special -
Book title 'A Fearful Symmetry'
Author: Lynne Bishop
United Kingdom News
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[UK 1] British Aerospace Teams With Lockheed Martin on Joint Strike
Fighter
World News
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[W 1] Full transcript USAF press release on Roswell
[W 2] From USAF library - Roswell Report - Executive summary
[W 3] From USAF library - Roswell Report - Info & cost!
[W 4] To bodly go where no mannequin's gone before
[W 5] Air Force says Roswell 'space aliens' were dummies
[W 6] Report: Roswell 'aliens' were crash dummies
[W 7] Air Force marks Roswell "case closed"
[W 8] Press conference July 4th - scrap of metal from off world
[W 9] Ball of Light Sighted - Australia
Letters
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Crash Dummies!
Book Review
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Beyond Roswell
Editorial
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Appologies - to those of you who have mailed me recently with
reports etc and have not yet had a reply. I have spent the last two
weeks installing and setting up a new PC. When time has allowed I
have been copying files from one machine to the other via a link
cable. Non of your high tech back up systems here. It has taken a
long time. However things are now just about back to normal.
USAF Roswell press release 24th June 1997 - We make no appologies
for the vast majority of this issue being taken up with information
on the USAF recent press release. Once again this is history in the
making. It is important that we make ourselves as fully aware as
possible of the situation.
Problems with downloading Real Audio files - Some members will be
aware that there have apparently been problems downloading some Real
Audio (RA) files from the uk.ufo.nw web site. Presently we can only
speak for PC users running Windows.
When a RA link is selected an option window should appear giving you
the choice of where you want to save the file to on your hard drive.
Some of the RA links do not give you this choice. The RA file
downloads fully, loads you RA player then plays the audio file.
Where has the RA file been saved to?
Thanks to Crow for the answer to this. Look in your Windows/Temp
directory and you will see the file sitting there in all it's glory
for you to move about as you wish.
Real Audio - On 24th June 1997, Col. John Haynes of the Unites
States Air Force gave a press conference at the Pentagon. This latest
release would have us believe that the bodies 'alien' seen at
Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 were "probably" crash dummies. Here is
the full 22 minute press release in Real Audio format along with the
transcript. Point your browser at url:
http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk - Select Real Audio button
If you are interested in UFO related Real Audio files you will find
many more at url:
http://www.crowman.demon.co.uk/
IRC (Internet Relay Chat) - By now most of you will be aware that
you can join our weekly UFO meetings on the IRC simply by using your
web browser (see foot of e-zine for full details). If you want to be
a little more adventurous and perhaps use one of the dedicated IRC
programs such as the excellent MIRC visit the below url for
beginners and others:
Frames: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/phil.light/irchelp.htm
No frames: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/phil.light/page/chat_how.htm
NASA TV live worldwide - Unfortunately we here in the UK and many
other parts of the world are unable to recieve the NASA TV channel.
However due to the Mars Pathfinder mission we can confirm that there
are various web sites which have a live audio and video stream of
the NASA TV channel. The real time video is watched via your web
browser while the audio obviously come's from your speakers.
Point your browsers at urls:
http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/vdo/ntvlive/ntvlive.vdo
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9706/pathfinder/multiplex/live/nasatv.htmlhttp
://www.chr on.com/
If you have the program shareware or otherwise 'cuseeme' log into
any of the following addresses:
Europe: 158.36.33.5
UK: 129.186.112.242
130.235.128.100
139.88.27.43
What we cannot confirm at present is whether these sites will
continue to give access to the NASA TV channel once the initial
excitment of the Mars Pathfinder mission fades. This is where you
come in. We know of the above sites but do you know of any more? Are
there any other interesting video streams online?
Send any information to: ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk
Subject line: Internet Video
Sightings on the Radio - Most people are aware of the American TV
program 'Sightings'. Did you also know that it has a sister program
'Sightings on the Radio'. This is an excellent radio program which
runs for 3 hours six nights a week and is hosted by Jeff Rense. It
covers UFOs and the paranormal. Many of the shows guests are the
tops in their field and well known to UFO buffs.
Once again the show is only available in the USA, that is unless you
have an Internet connection. The show is transmitted live via Real
Audio, but more importantly they are archived. By visiting the below
url you get a brief description of each of the shows. Select the
link to the one/s you are interested in and simply listen. Like me
you may find it more convenient to record the show on a tape recorder
for listening at your leasure.
Of particular interest around now is the celebrations taking place
in Roswell, New Mexico. Celebrating 50 years since the 1947 incident.
Between 50,000 and 100,000 visiters are expected over the five day
period. Many of the top ufologists will be there. Thanks to Michael
Linderman of CNI News most of these ufologists will be interviewed
on the show while at Roswell. Michael Linderman also guests on the
show every Wednesday with a line up of the latest UFO reports from
around the world. Point your browser at url:
http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/
Nick Pope - The third and final part of a look at Nick Popes new
book 'The Uninvited' will appear in the next issue {78} of the
e-zine.
1000 + subscribers - uk.ufo.nw are pleased to announce that we
recently reached and went over the 1000 mark on subscribers.
The number of subscribers is steadily growing. Many more read
the e-zine via mailing lists, BBS's and other media.
- special -
Book Title: A Fearful Symmetry
Author: Lynne Bishop
We are extremely pleased to announce that starting in the next
issue of the e-zine {78} we will be serialising the book
'A Fearful Symmetry - A True Story of Alien Intrusion into
Human Lives' with a forward by John Carpenter.
We know that you will find this book absolutely fascinating
and a little frightening. Lynne tells from the heart of her
and her families abduction experiences. Don't miss it!
United Kingom News
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>From bookfndr@cmaster.com
Date: Tuesday 24th June 1997
Source: Paris - PRNewswire
Date: 18th June 1997
British Aerospace Teams With Lockheed Martin on Joint Strike Fighter
Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) and British Aerospace announced today that
British Aerospace has joined Lockheed Martin's Joint Strike Fighter
(JSF) team in the world's largest-ever military aircraft development
and production competition. British Aerospace will participate in all
phases of Lockheed Martin's JSF program.
British Aerospace has reached an agreement to work in partnership
with Lockheed Martin on the $718.8-million contract to produce and
fly two concept demonstration aircraft for the JSF program and
through to the engineering and manufacturing development and
production phases. JSF is being developed for the U.S. Air Force,
Navy and Marine Corps and the United Kingdom's Royal Navy to replace
several types of aircraft in current service with the two nations,
including the F-16, F/A-18C/D, AV-8B and Sea Harrier. The Lockheed
Martin team was awarded one of two JSF concept demonstration
contracts following a multi-year competition completed in November
1996.
Sir Richard Evans, Chief Executive of British Aerospace, said: "With a
requirement for over 3,000 aircraft, JSF is the most significant
trans- Atlantic military program of the 21st century. We are
delighted to have reached agreement with Lockheed Martin and look
forward to making a significant contribution, particularly in the
areas of systems integration, low-cost design and manufacture and
short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) technologies."
Norman R. Augustine, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Lockheed
Martin, said: "This agreement supports our objective of forming
mutually beneficial, long-term international partnerships. We are
proud to now have both British Aerospace and Northrop Grumman on our
team and view their participation as a strong vote of confidence in
our JSF program. We will benefit greatly from British Aerospace's
capabilities and expertise on our team."
British Aerospace's contribution will be led by their Military
Aircraft and Aerostructures business, Europe's leading military
aircraft company, which has a leading role in a wide range of
collaborative programs, including the VSTOL Harrier/AV-8B and Hawk
aircraft through to the recently awarded contract for Nimrod 2000,
the world's most sophisticated maritime patrol aircraft.
Led by its Tactical Aircraft Systems unit in Fort Worth, Texas,
Lockheed Martin's JSF team also includes Lockheed Martin
Aeronautical Systems in Marietta, Ga., which contributes F-22
aircraft technology; and Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works advanced
technology development and rapid prototyping unit in Palmdale,
Calif., where the two JSF concept demonstration aircraft are to be
built. The team also includes Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney,
Rolls- Royce and Allison.
A U.S. government decision on the winning JSF design is scheduled in
2001 with initial aircraft deployment in 2008.
SOURCE Lockheed Martin Corporation
CONTACT: British Aerospace Press Office, Farnborough, United Kingdom,
44-1252-383550; Lockheed Martin Paris Air Show Chalet,
33-1-41-57-59-22; or Lockheed Martin News and Information,
301-897-6352
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United States Air Force
Aired 1400hrs 24th June 1997
Col. John Haynes USAF
Pentagon
Full transcript USAF press release on Roswell
COL. JOHN HAYNES, U.S AIR FORCE: Good afternoon, ladies and
gentlemen.
I'm sure I'd like to show you this book, tell you it's $18 and head
for the door, but there are two armed guards right there and they're
not going to let me out of it that easily.
(LAUGHTER)
Let me read my prepared statement and then we will roll a short video
that Captain McAndrew will talk about. And then I will answer some
questions.
We're confident once the report is out and digested by the public
that this will be the final word on the Roswell incident.
The conclusion of the first report left no doubt that what was
recovered near Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947 was debris from a
formerly top secret Army Air Force's research project, Code Name
Mogul. Mogul as an attempt to accoustically detect Soviet nuclear
blasts and ballistic missile launches.
Mogul used an odd assortment of equipment carried aloft by a balloon
train more than 600 feet long. This balloon train consisted of 25
balloons, attached acoustic devices and several radar reflectors which
look like box kites.
In 1947, it was the misidentification of these radar reflectors that
is most likely the famous flying disc.
Today, we're releasing the final report to address questions about
alleged bodies associated with the Roswell story. This report has
four main conclusions. If you have your books, turn to page 3. We'll
have a lesson.
(LAUGHTER)
One -- Air Force activities which occurred over a period of many
years had been consolidated and are now represented to have occurred
in two or three days in July 1947.
Two -- bodies observed in the New Mexico desert were probably test
dummies that were carried aloft by U.S. Air Force high altitude
balloons for scientific research.
Three, the unusual military activities in the New Mexico desert were
high-altitude research balloon launch and recovery operations. The
reports of military units that always seem to arrive shortly after a
crash were actually accurate descriptions of Air Force personnel
engaged in the dummy recovery operations.
Four, claims of bodies at the Roswell Army air field hospital were
most likely a combination of two separate incidents. One was a 1956
KC-97 aircraft accident in which 11 Air Force members lost their lives
or a 1959 manned balloon mishap in which two Air Force pilots were
injured.
That information is in this report.
These conclusions are listed in page 3, as I said, of the book.
Please roll the video.
(VIDEO)
The first clip's pretty quick. I'm going start off with some Air
Force high-altitude balloon operations, and the first project is
going to be a NASA Viking space probe tested in New Mexico.
This was launched from Roswell, New Mexico, in 1972 and was recovered
on the White Sands missile range, about 100 miles to the west. That
is the Voyager, Mars, another test the Air Force did. (OFF-MIKE)...
(LAUGHTER)
Typical Air Force high-altitude balloon launch operation in the
desert of New Mexico. This is during the mid '50s. That's just a
comparison of the size. You can see how many airliners you can fit
inside a high-altitude research balloon at that altitude. These are
just some payloads -- the usual payloads particularly associated with
the balloon.
Next will be the reconnaissance project Mogul. The project took place
in New Mexico in 1947. This is some equipment associated with Project
Mogul.
There's the famous box kite that became the famous flying disk. The
weather balloons that were on the balloon train... That's the tin,
paper, rubber and sticks that they recovered in the desert near New
Mexico in 1947.
Here's what you've all been waiting for, the anthropomorphic dummies,
and Joseph W. Kittinger Jr.. That's a typical test dummy used by the
Air Force during the 1950s.
(LAUGHTER)
There's one of the project officers with that particular dummy. It's
known as a Sierra Sam, manufactured by Sierra Engineering
Corporation. One of the technical reports listed in the bibliography
of the report. This is actually a man subject, but that's what the
dummies were used for, to test ejection.
QUESTION: So, that's not a dummy?
HAYNES: That's a man.
(LAUGHTER)
Here's how the dummies were employed. Two dummies to a rack,
somewhere in a gondola. They flew up to 98,000 feet. This launch is
in New Mexico. That's an upshot, and there goes the dummy. He would
free fall for a period of time and a drug chute would deploy, and the
object was to recover a human from a high-altitude aircraft. And they
often landed at off-range locations throughout New Mexico, often
observed by civilians.
This is where the recovery crews are scurrying to recover them,
either with aircraft or ground vehicles.
This is retired Colonel Joseph W. Kittinger Jr. This is the
culmination of the high altitude projects that use the dummies. And
that's the Excelsior Three gondola in 1960. And that's Captain
Kittinger. That is a world record parachute jump. Still stands today.
He free fell for four minutes and 37 seconds. And he did it three
times.
OK, let me -- yes, ma'am.
QUESTION: Why did it take so long to come up with this conclusion?
You've come up with many other conclusions.
HAYNES: Well, the first report was the GAO-required report for
Project Mogul. When Captain McAndrew was doing additional research
after that report had been given to the secretary, and we were
waiting to publish the second report, he was looking for additional
pictures. And he uncovered some film strips of the balloon test and
the dummies. And that's when he began to do further research.
He sent it up the chain, and they said this is excellent information.
It's outstanding scientific research by the Air Force. And we want
the public to know about it, because it's the public's information.
QUESTION: Colonel, how do you square the UFO enthusiasts saying that
they're talking about 1947, while you're talking about dummies used in
the '50s, almost a decade later?
HAYNES: Well, I'm afraid that's a problem that we have with time
compression. I don't know what they saw in '47, but I'm quite sure it
probably was Project Mogul. But I think if you find that people talk
about things over a period of time, they begin to lose exactly when
the date was. And there were lots of dummies dropped. There were
about 2,500 balloons launched during this 30-year period in New Mexico
alone.
QUESTION: Why do you think people in Roswell and elsewhere still
don't -- still are not convinced? No matter what you say?
HAYNES: I'm sorry, but I just can't answer that question for them.
But they must look at the evidence. If you will read this book -- and
I'm sure you're going to take it home tonight and read it -- quite
frankly, you're going to find some very interesting and quite
fascinating pieces of information about Air Force research.
Whether you accept that as the Roswell information, I quite frankly
don't know. But we do because it overlays so well with this period of
time.
QUESTION: Colonel, UFO groups also...
QUESTION: Excuse me. Sir, does the Air Force regret not declassifying
some of this information sooner rather than just the last few years?
HAYNES: Great question. Nothing in here was ever classified.
In the first report, everything was classified in the '70s.
QUESTION: How much did this study cost?
HAYNES: That's a good question and quite frankly, we've not captured
the data. But let me tell you that we've had no more than one or two
people on it -- probably not even full time over the last two years.
QUESTION: Colonel, are...
HAYNES: I can get that for you but I just don't know because we just
got the book on the 10th and I haven't -- I don't know what the
publishing costs are.
Yes, ma'am.
QUESTION: Colonel, let me just clear up two things that you sort of
brushed over quickly. Number one was the time frame that people are
going to say -- But this is 10 years. How could they possibly make a
mistake on the 10 years. And number two -- you said it was never
classified, and yet why didn't people at the time say -- Well, my
goodness, we were having dummy tests. This explains the answer.
HAYNES: Well, the dummy test actually -- you need to get the book. You
need to look in there.
If you'll look in there, you'll find there are a couple of things in
which the dummy tests get lots of media attention, and I should have
-- I have it tabbed, and I should be able to find it, but quite
frankly, I'm sitting here and my knees are shaking.
(UNKNOWN): Twenty-six.
QUESTION: But...
HAYNES: Page 26.
QUESTION: Yes, but explain those two things.
HAYNES: OK. There's a picture for that.
But let me tell you that I don't know why they can't associate that
time period. I'm sorry. I just don't have any information for that.
All I know is what the Air Force did, and that if you overlay much of
their claims and you look at the Air Force scientific research, you
can see it's obvious that what we're talking about at Roswell -- and
I don't mean Roswell in '47, because that was Project Mogul, that was
unmanned. I want to make that very clear. And that's the first
report.
But over that period of time, dummies were dropped all around there.
And I think it's logical to assume that the people there saw Air
Force ambulances come out. They saw gurneys come out. They saw body
bags come out because the dummies were put into body bags to protect
them.
They saw people in pith helmets. They saw people in shorts out there
brushing the bushes looking for the remnants of the balloons.
And when you put all that stuff together and spin it, you find that
it fits perfectly with many of the occurrences in Roswell during that
era.
QUESTION: Except that 10-year period.
QUESTION: But they also said that these figures were of much smaller
stature than full-size adult figures. How do reconcile that?
HAYNES: I don't reconcile that. I just have no idea why they say
that.
QUESTION: Tell us when the dummies were first used -- what year?
HAYNES: Fifty-three.
QUESTION: And how many you say numbers of...
HAYNES: Well, the actual balloon launchings were about 2,500. The
actual number of dummies dropped were -- it's actually in the book
and it's very specific, but the number just escapes me. It's more than
300 or 400. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Why did they make it -- the design -- resemble to flying
saucer? It makes it very suspicious.
HAYNES: A flying saucer? Now, you were talking about in the video?
QUESTION: Yes.
HAYNES: That's also in here, I might add and you saw it in the video.
Some of the -- and you're looking at payloads. Well, what they were
doing is they wanted to recover these payloads and so they were
testing the parachutes.
And I totally agree. If I saw something like that -- I'm riding along
out there near Riodoso and I'm wandering out in the desert and I see
this funny looking dish out there, I might want to poke around at it.
But quite frankly, this is probably what it was.
QUESTION: You keep saying -- using the word "probably" and you say
closed. Those two don't jive. How do you reconcile that?
HAYNES: Yes, you're right. OK. Let me say, from the Air Force's
perspective that's exactly what it was. And I don't mean to be rude
about that. I want you to understand, we are very, of this report. We
think in our office that this answers lots of questions and it answers
them logically and with integrity.
And one other thing I might add is if you want to do your own
research, in the back is a complete, technical report bibliography
and also there is a terrific, set of end notes. And I recommend that
if you're interested in this, that you take these and you do your own
research and come to your own conclusions. Yes, sir.
QUESTION: Does the Air Force have any evidence at all of any sort of
space craft wreckage or extraterrestrial presence on Earth?
HAYNES: No, sir.
QUESTION: What is -- can you tell us anything about this myth of Area
51 which has become part of ...
(LAUGHTER)
.. everything from Hollywood movies to a local legend? What is Area
51? Is there such a place? What does it do?
HAYNES: That actually should be outside this brief. Let me ask you a
question. If you are talking about Groom Lake, Nevada, is that what
you're talking about?
QUESTION: I'm talking about the scene everybody remembers from the
movie "Independence Day."
(LAUGHTER) HAYNES: My daughter asked me the same question. There is a
facility in Groom Lake, Nevada. Quite frankly, I have no knowledge or
expertise in the matters. I understand there are classified things
that go on there and that's all I have to say about it.
QUESTION: One followup. How do you know -- I mean, your name is now
Colonel John Haynes. It's going to go down in UFO lore as one of the
people who took part, in the minds of some people, in the continuing
coverup by the government. How do you know that you're not being
used? How do you know that you know the full story?
(LAUGHTER)
That there's no evidence of this?
HAYNES: Because our job is to review all the Air Force documents for
this era. And that's how we came up with this exciting and
interesting and intriguing, quite frankly, report. I know you think
that sounds like a broken record, but you need to get in here and
read it, and you will see that many of the things that people think
they saw correlate perfectly with Air Force research projects.
QUESTION: You're confident that you're not part of any coverup,
wittingly or unwittingly?
HAYNES: I'm totally confident.
HAYNES: But I think Colonel Weaver -- you might have seen him on TV
earlier -- said it best. We can't even keep single secrets. How could
we have a conspiracy or a cover-up?
(LAUGHTER)
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: A question of follow-up to the Groom Lake operating
location. Recently there were a lot of sightings out in Arizona of
supposed UFOs. Is it possible, within the range of possibility, that
any classified aircraft from the Groom Lake area were in that vicinity
and this might explain why people are suddenly seeing a lot of
strange landing lights and so forth?
HAYNES: Well, let me say two things. Number one, as far as Groom
Lake, I don't have any knowledge of that area. Forgive me. It's just
not within my area of expertise. I don't have the access. End of
quote.
Secondly, if you're interested in the Arizona question, I suggest
that you contact the local authorities in Arizona and see what they
have to say, because the Air Force no longer does any investigation of
UFOs.
Yes, sir?
QUESTION: Let's go back to that so-called Area 51, because in
people's minds, but you say I can't talk about it because it's
classified, conjures up, oh, there it is. There's the cover-up.
Can you give us any hint, without violating any sense of confidential
nature, what kinds of things might be happening?
HAYNES: Sir, I cannot. Forgive me. I just do not know.
QUESTION: Is there anyone in the Air Force that can?
HAYNES: I'm going to have to defer that to public affairs. It's
outside of my area of expertise. Forgive me, but it's just outside of
my area of expertise.
QUESTION: Can you rule out that Area 51 is only human-made equipment
and intelligence?
(LAUGHTER)
HAYNES: Do we call that leading the witness? Is that what we call it?
I'm sorry. I just don't know. Forgive me. It's just not an area that
I have knowledge.
Yes, ma'am?
QUESTION: Colonel, let me just go back one more time to that. You say
this is case closed and people should now believe it, but with the
major hole, though, you're saying that they're wrong about the date
and the date being six years time that they're wrong about.
How can you -- what explanation can you give them, other than just
saying, well, we just think they're just mistaken by six years?
HAYNES: We don't -- I have no other explanation. I'm sorry. I have no
other explanation. I'm looking at the facts as we have studied them,
and I have no other explanation of that but what I've already given.
-[continued in part 2]-
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