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From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:29:09 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:26:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Hoagland in Phoneix -- AZ Republic Article

At 11:42 AM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 03:35:15 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Hoagland in Phoneix -- AZ Republic Article

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>Hi Errol, All,

>Charlie Brown- "Arrrrghhhh!"

>First Governor Symington ridicules and minimizes the impact of the mass
>sighting in Phoenix, and now Hoagland & Bell roll into town with their
>'Magical Mystical Tour' spouting 'predictions' and making connections that
>exist only within the framework of their own synapses.

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>We've got to clean house folks, guys like Hoagland (for all the attention
>they get) are just 'camera whores' in the end. He is hurting the
>credibility of a good solid case like the one in Phoenix by attaching an
>'Oral Roberts' style, (if Ahh don't get nine million dollahs by noon, de
>Good Lawd is goina strike me deyad) quality to them. Ya gotta love a guy
>like that!

>They're not about truth, they're not about serious investigation, they're
>not about helping the people of Phoenix, (and the rest of us) to get some
>straight answers. They are about 'themselves.'

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>Who _are_ these people?! (Bell & Hoagland) Why in Hell does anyone
>attend/tune into these things? What the devil does any of it have to do
>with the sighting in Phoenix!

Good points.  However, I'm not sure how you "clean house" when you have no
standards to define proper and improper "behavior".  People complain about
politicians, who by definition are elected at the whim of the people.  Here
we are complaining about the actions of a few who are being watched (or
listened to) because of their notoriety, rather than their expertise.  As
long as we watch (or listen), they'll remain in the limelight.  The fault,
unfortunately, is ours.

>I don't know why Bell didn't want it to end there, on that note! Mr Wilson
>put the 'capper' on the whole presentation, he summarized it, no,...he
>embodied the real spirit of it! <G>

>The only difference between Mr Wilson's insane remark, and Hoagland's insane
>remarks, is a matter of just a few degrees of 'rotation'. I thank God that
>the people of Phoenix know which direction their local rivers run! Think of
>how many he may have deluded or distracted from the real business at hand -
>the mass sighting of March 13th!

>They are doing us all a disservice. Instead of bringing sober, inquiring
>minds to Phoenix or serious attention to the case, they bring,  the "Art
>Bell Circus" featuring, Richard Hoagland, the terminally verbose and long
>winded 'Snoremaster' of Cydonia! We're talking about 'Bell and Hoagland'
>instead of Phoenix! See what I mean?

Again, a very good point.

>You don't see many reporters talking to Tom King or Bill Hamilton, or
>showing the videotapes that these gentlemen have collected on their
>newscasts. Can anyone tell me why?

Primarily because the personalities are the story the reporters want to
tell, rather than the actual story (or event) itself.

>Time to clean house, eliminate the dead weight. The task and the challenge
>at hand is way too serious and has too many implications for all mankind
>for us to waste time entertaining and supporting the likes of Bell and
>Hoagland. Our time would be much better spent pushing for congressional
>hearings, or demanding answers for Phoenix from our representatives.

While I understand your point, I'm not sure that they are "dead weight".
Both Hoagland and Bell have attracted a number of people to the genre that
might not otherwise be here.  That is to their credit and should not be
overlooked.  But there is a more serious implication to your statement, in
that someone (or perhaps a group of some sort) would have to define what is
good and proper in this genre.  Whose theories are best promoted, and whose
should be eliminated from consideration, and what is the criteria for
consideration for acceptance?

Not all of the tangents in this genre are mutually compatible, which has
become evident at times on UFO Updates.  In the end, we are usually left to
our own personal views to define what is valid and what is not.  Until
those views can be coordinated into a general pattern that everyone can
agree with, it would be extremely difficult to "clean house".

>Reminder: Frightening numbers of our citizens (worldwide) are reporting
>troublesome and confusing  UFO/abduction related sightings, experiences and
>memories. I'm not just blowing wind up your skirt either, I _know_ from
>first hand experience what I'm talking about.

>We just can't afford the luxury of indulging in the time and energy wasting
>distractions offered by the Bells and Hoaglands. We need to focus ourselves
>and demand some answers and an immediate and serious investigation now,
>from our rep's. not more showbiz. Most folks already have 78 channels of
>shit pouring into their homes.

Investigation will have to come from investigators, rather than politicians
or "legislators".   They hold the purse strings and for all the noise you
may hear, that is their real power in this.  But, write letters to your
Representatives and Senators demanding action!  If they don't write back,
write them again until they do.  If enough people make contact, they'll
understand that this is a matter of political survival and perhaps they'll
jump on the bandwagon with the rest of us.  But to be effective, make sure
your requests are serious, logical, and not too far out in "left field".
Members get letters from "wierdos" all the time, and you don't want to come
off as a "nut".

Just a few comments from this peanut in the gallery.