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From: ASIUS <asius@mindless.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:11:11 +0930
Fwd Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:27:05 -0400
Subject: Re: CSETI Leader's Troubles

These two "Gentlemen" wrote:
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:20:46 GMT
Subject: Re:UFO UpDate: Re: CSETI Leader's Troubles
From: "Roger R. Prokic" <rprokic@ibm.net>
To: updates@globalserve.net

>From: BGBOPPER@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:48:59 -0400 (EDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CSETI Leader's Troubles

>I will send an additional $25 to the American Cancer Society just because
>your post makes so much sense.

>Also, how many M.D.'s don't have health insurance?

>Russ,

>>You bring up a good point.  Anybody verify Greer really is an M.D.?
>Plus all the other niceties preceeding this lot.<ASIUS>.

SNIP------------------------------------------------


Hello fellow list members,

Firstly, I would like to point out that I am not, never have been and don't
have any plans of being associated with CSETI at this time.

Secondly, I would like to say that I am utterly disgusted at the new low that
some members of this list seem to have sunk..

I cannot believe that anyone with the most remote shred of compassion, or, for
that matter, decency, would stoop to such a snide level as has been demonstrated
in the discussion on this topic.

Sure Steven Greer has made some disputable claims in the eyes of some, but it
would have to be a very devious scheme indeed to "fleece" people of their hard
earned cash on the basis of falsely claiming to be suffering from one of the most
insidious diseases known to man.

I am amazed and mortified at the vengeful snipes made in these instances.
I may not have had cancer(yet), but I do suffer from debilitating spinal
neurological and physio-mechanical injuries which keep me almost exclusively
housebound and a lot of the time bed-ridden. Which I think, after seven years,
qualifies me somewhat  to comment on this subject(serious health problems).

For anyone to insinuate that the alleged cancer of Steven Greer and his
associate is perhaps a money raising scheme, I find distasteful and offensive in
the extreme. If you feel as strongly about this as you seem to, pursue the man
for "False Pretences" or "Larceny by Trick". Don't kick the crap out of him here,
do it "through channels".

It is not until you have suffered from a serious infirmity that you begin to realize
the enormous increase in your expenses, at a time when you are least able to do
a damn thing about earning extra money to cover your costs.

Re: Insurance. I can assure you, unless you are on an "all the bells and whistles"
loss of income + pain and suffering type benefit which actually pays more than you
were previously earning, you could not even begin to hope to make ends meet.

It has been my experience that your general living expenses actually dramatically
increase when you are confined. There are additional costs for the following:

Heating/Airconditioning
General electricity consumption
Telephone
Travel
Water
Consumables - coffee, milk, tea and other foods
Extra casual comfortable clothing
Cleaning
Medicines
Counselling
Doctors
Radiology
Pathological services
Entertainment
Garden maintenence
House maintenence
Propane
etc., etc., etc.

This is just a very short list of areas in which your expenditure increases
quite dramatically and you have no means of raising extra income. This
then puts extra pressure on your relationship with your partner as, in my
case at least, my wife has had to take on 2 jobs just to cover the
additional expenses incurred due to me being confined to home.

It is very easy to say "Oh, the medical insurance will cover it" - it doesn't
even come close. And, that is just for the medical costs. What about the
other "general" living expenses"?

When you are confined you use far more heating and air-conditioning by
virtue of the fact that you are at home all day and not at work. You can't
drink your employer's coffee or use his phone, or drink his water, or use his
bathroom. Your "Work wardrobe" becomes obsolete and at the same time
you need to stock up on clothing that is comfortable to lay down in.

I hear you say "but you don't need to travel to work, so surely you will save
money there", alas, not so. I need to use cabs and at times ambulances as
the drugs I take make it too dangerous to drive, as does my condition, so
instantly there is a huge increase in travel costs.

You are unable to service the car yourself so your wife can travel safely
from job to job - you have to pay premium rates to a mechanic to do tasks
that were once simple and easily done at home. You can't cut the lawns, clean
the guttering, paint the walls, weed the garden, sweep the leaves - but someone
has to do it - do you burden your partner further or pay someone to do it?????

Because your medicine screws with your brain, you need to buy books or
pay for extended Internet access just to try and keep it stimulated in the hope
that one day you will be able to return to the workforce - somehow. And all
the while your savings dwindle as you have a pitiful "income".

And, then come along the ignorant turkeys who have the audacity to call
you a "Bludger", a "Slacker" and constantly jeer you as you have no instantly
visible signs of your infirmity except of course those walking stick "Props".
Then you lift your shirt and show them the ugly great scarring which you hide
so that children don't sneer and laugh any more than they do about the limp
or the walking sticks or the wheelchair.

And, finally there are the "Foundations" who are charities who accept funds
"on your behalf" for "research and support", the benefits of which you just
never seem to see because the large majority of it goes in wages and
administration, and I can assure you they are not mine.

If you want to send your money to an institution rather than to one who may
actually be in genuine need, so be it, but DO NOT KICK A PERSON WHEN
THEY ARE DOWN - there is enough to worry about without reading that sort
of puerile crap!

I was of the understanding that he wasn't asking for monetary assistance for
himself, but rather for his associate.(Whose name has slipped my mind).  I think
it was "Shari" or something like that.

Cut the man some slack, in all probability he is suffering enough as it is.

Just as you are entitled to your opinions I am entitled to mine. If I have
misinterpreted your comments - I sincerely apologise. Otherwise, imagine
for a few minutes that you have cancer and that you have to tell your loved
ones, just ask yourselves "how would I do that" and reflect on it a while and
the impact it would have on not only you, but your wives and kids.

Next time make sure you engage your brain before putting your fingers to
work.

Regards,

Mike Stahl  aka. ASIUS

I don't want or need your sympathy, I just want you to at least try and
understand what people like us face each and every day!

"As I travel through this journey which is life
I shall abide by one simple rule.
That which does not kill me will only make me stronger."
ASIUS - "My Philosophy".