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From: Pat Parrinello <pparri@crossfields.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 13:52:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:56:45 -0400
Subject: Skywatch: Peer Review

On the subject of: Alien Implants, Alleged or Otherwise

A response...  by Pat Parrinello with advice from his
sidkick, Pinchbeck Tidings.

Sometimes, I guess, we have to address the fact that what is
'peer' for one may not necessarily be 'peer' for the other.
Take for instance the time from the day my implant was
removed.

08/15/95 - 08/15/97 =  ((Pi * 92x10^6)*2)/730

That's 2 years for you regular 'peers',  the former being for
Richard Hoagland who has no real 'peer' at all with
perhaps the singular exception of Sherlock Holmes.

 Now some of you folks may take issue with my comparing
 Richard  Hoagland to Derrel Sims. I don't care. Both are
equally capable of projecting  incredible vicissitude.

So, here I go... 'peer'  reviewing idioms by the basketfull.
My comments will [be in braces like this here.]

  ~Pat~
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Subject:     Fwd: (Fwd) Skywatch: Peer Review.
Sent:        7/15/97 4:58 PM
Received:    7/15/97 5:16 PM
From:        RSuzKeith@aol.com

Anyone care to translate?

[ I tried PGP but it seems cyberGeller bent my private key.]

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Forwarded message:
From:	skywatch@wic.net (SKYWATCH)
Reply-to:	skywatch@wic.net
To:	(Overseas #1)@emin16.mail.aol.com
Date: 97-07-15 14:03:30 EDT

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          "Derrel" <derrel@holman.net>
To:            "andromeda.net - Jared Anderson" <jared@valuserve.com>
Cc:            "The Colonel" <skywatch@wic.net> Subject:       Re: Peer
Review. Date:          Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:54:43 -0500


Question:  When will the peer review begin? J.A., (concerning the
Alleged Roswell Debries).

(We are still in the beginning phases of the original alleged implant
research...more biologists and DNA persons are now on board to advise,
discuss and continue the remarkable anomalies found in the biological
housing surrounding the 7 different objects removed from 5 different
people. Only 3 of these people are our original 2 surgeries.  That's
just the biology.  See the site in a few days to see what the latest is
concerning the remarkable metallurgy...this is on going on in several
labs, as we speak.  When this information is finally in, collated and
the peer review is finished. The abductees, contactees, or
"experiencers," will be the very first ones to get the news in
total.This was promised to them and will be fulfilled in a report on the
entire scope of investigations.

[Sentence isolator mode ON]

It has been the thinking of some
persons who funded some of the
research to reveal as much as
possible to the public, after the
tests were over but not, after
the peer review.

[Sentence isolator mode OFF]

[That is a prime example of hyper-dimensional-physics.]

This is not the position of most of the scientists on board now.  It is
not our position as well.  The work should go unimpeded and not "tried"
in the public eye while the research is ongoing.

 [Not necessarily being in the group named above I
  find myself there anyway. 2 years now.]

Finish the science, if
it merits a scientific paper, write it, and publish it in a scientific
journal.  This will invariably lead to a peer review.  These people are
far more qualified to look at the work of the disciplines involved, and
their methods, than we.  The People in the UFO community (especially
those with qualified scientific and medical backgrounds), should then
get to do their work on the objects, if it is decided that something was
missed or could have been done better. We do feel that there are highly
qualified people in the UFO field that can do the work, and very well.
The problem in using them for this kind of hard science work, is that it
makes your case less than bullet proof.  The first shots fired at the
case will be "bias."

[Apparently "prejudice" is a double edged sword.]

It is the way things go....No case will be bullet
proof.  Someone is always going to do that.  If it is in the spirit of
science and not mean spirited, then we must look at those criticisms and
"improve, adapt, and overcome."  If science is considered a self
perfecting organism, then by that very definition it is not perfect,
just improving.  I think most of us are aware of that.  Science is not
the only set of  eyes we want to look at any hard evidence.  These are
just the first set of eyes we want to look through, and certainly not
the last. Science is like a pair of glasses...they can make things clear
(if its the right prescription).  We may need glasses if we dont see
well without them.
 Science will tell you all about the book your reading, what it is made
 of,
when it may have been made, and many necessary answers to questions you
may want to ask...it may not be able to answer other questions on "why"
the author wrote it, or even the depths of its content.  That is what
other "eyes," other glasses, are for.  Some people in the UFO community
may be able to see better than anyone.  I think those people may be the
abductees themselves.  They may not have all of this "sorted" out yet to
see the patterns (if there are any), that we do not see.  With the help
of all of these "glasses" and a trained set of eyes, perhaps we will all
be able to come to some sort of conclusions.  At that point Contact may
be made. Whatever that may mean.  That remains to be seen. )

[Contact has always been made.]

Sorry for that I just thought it might help.  Now to answer your
question.


It is much tougher than you think...Numerous new heavy weight scientists
have weighed in...to disprove the claims of the anomalies, (or, to
satisfy their skeptical curiosity).  Regardless, we are grateful for
this kind of attention on the materials and will continue until we all
come to a solution as to why the Isotopic ratios are so different.

[My question(s) is:

        Who?
           What?
              Where?
                 When?
                    Why?

    Then:   Sample(s) Tested at:

                  Lab a?
                    Lab b?
                      Lab c?
                        Lab d?
                          Lab e .. z ?  Are all results = ?]

This
is only beginning...If it cannot stand this barrage, it will not get to
a paper about its uniqueness.  It will go down as why were the unique
spikes found as in this artifact.  This will allow a problem in this
area to be uncovered...this is what science does.  If the alleged
Roswell derbies survives, then we go on to phase 3, not phase 2.  If it
does not survive, then we go on to phase three.  Phase #2 is Peer
review, Phase 3 is we are going to present new alleged artifacts.

     [  Loop    Do   Phase1
                Do   Phase2
                Do   Phase3 Go to Loop  ]

  We
have more than a few pieces of evidence.  Tests are being run on
numerous pieces right now, apart from the Alleged Roswell Derbies.  When
those tests are complete, and stop at phase 2 or 3, we will present more
evidence to be evaluated.  We did not just "happen" to come across some
unusual artifact.  I have been doing this for over 27 years.  We still
have some materials that may far outshine this interesting artifact.
Thank you for your sharp inquiry.

We are having to up date materials on our web pages at
www.anw.com/first. Our web masters are still working on some very nice
things and a complete restructuring.  We will have an IMPLANT GALLERY,
AND A PHYSICAL EVIDENCE GALLERY, A SECRET DOCUMENTS GALLERY AND OTHER
THINGS FROM  INVESTIGATORS IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WE WORK WITH.  Some
of the things will be: many different kinds of alleged implants or
objects that are "alien to the human organism."  Many of these objects
will have been removed surgically.  There will be, at least 2 different
materials from alleged crash retrievals.  There will be some anomalous
materials that appear other worldly, or very different.  One of our
surgical patients thinks that our best evidence is a pane of commercial
glass, that has the distinction to have what appears to be an image of a
 pair of small hands and an arm in the glass.  One university scientist
wants to interface an interferometer with the glass and see if he can
pull out a 3 dimensional image of what ever may have passed through the
object.  I think this is enough of "hints" of what we could display.  I
hope you like the new sitework and our continued efforts to bring
Qualified Scientists and Medical professionals into the field to review
our work.  If it can stand this kind of scrutiny (by scientists not in
the UFO world), great, then others may follow this lead.  That lead is
to get the UFO community out of the dark ages and into, as one professor
called it the Exploration Stage.  According to this one specialist in
his field, we are not even there yet.

[Too busy exploring each others motives.]

  I hope this helps us all get
there.  There are many fine, talented and dedicated people in the
community.  Ultimately, we cannot peer review our own work, so to speak.

[Derrel and Richard may just have to.]

We must not give ourselves grades and not allow the "professors" to see
our homework assignments.  It is difficult for us to even judge
ourselves much less each other.  We try to stay out of that mix...and
leave it to others who feel they are highly qualified to do so.

[The general public.]

Thanks again for your inquiry and "good news of what CNI is doing." May
I include a small work of Theodore Roosevelt for your review.  This was
given to me long ago...by a scientist at White Sands proving grounds. He
was part of the Moon launches involving the Primates that were first
sent up. I lived n Alamogordo, New Mexico for 13 years.  I did not know
what it truly meant then, I was only 18, I hope I am understanding it
better now.  Enjoy.


"IT IS NOT THE CRITIC WHO COUNTS; NOT THE MAN WHO POINTS OUT HOW THE
STRONG MAN STUMBLES, OR WHERE  THE DOER OF DEEDS COULD HAVE DONE BETTER.

 THE CREDIT BELONGS TO THE MAN WHO IS ACTUALLY IN THE ARENA, WHOSE FACE
IS MARRED BY DUST AND SWEAT AND BLOOD; WHO STRIVES VALIANTLY;...WHO
SPENDS HIMSELF IN A WORTHY CAUSE; WHO AT THE BEST KNOWS IN THE END THE
TRIUMPH OF HIGH ACHIEVEMENT, AND WHO AT THE WORST, IF HE FAILS, AT LEAST
FAILS WHILE DARING GREATLY, SO THAT HIS PLACE SHALL NEVER BE WITH THOSE
COLD AND TIMID SOULS WHO KNOW NEITHER VICTORY NOR DEFEAT."


Derrel Sims, CM.Ht., R.H.A.
FIRST - Fund for Interactive Research and Space Tecnology
P.O. Box 60944, Houston, TX 77205