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From: Andromeda0@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 01:35:07 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:45:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Hoagland in Phoneix -- AZ Republic Article

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 03:35:15 -0500
>Fwd Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:42:08 -0400
>Subject: Re: Hoagland in Phoneix -- AZ Republic Article


>THERE IS SOMETHING MAJOR GOING ON FOLKS, AND WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS,
>AND SOON!

I am in emphatic agreement with you here, John. I listened to Michael
Lindemann's critical analysis of Derrel Sims' handling the fragment
research done by Dr. Russel Vernon Clark and I would have to agree
that his failure to answer questions post presentation and the fact
that Dr. Clark was whisked away from the lecture was not "good
science". This succeeded in doing nothing but pissing off the press.
Even so I don't think Dennis Stacy's overemphasized castigation of
Derrel Sims was warranted as I am not ready to say that Derrel Sims is
more of liability than an asset to scientific UFO research. However,
Richard Hoagland (who is supposed to be a scientist) could easily have
used his influence, like you say, to encourage the investigation of an
apparently serious incident that occurred over Phoenix three months
ago. Instead Hoagland served up a nonesense-fest with predictions and,
aligning of the parallels, and his hyperdimensionsal physics and, God
knows what else which resulted in what could have been a much less
tolerant article in the Arizona Republic.

The little scientific research of the UFO subject that is being done
(praise FUFOR!) is precious and is constantly being threatened by the
visible and highly celebrated lunacy that sticks to the subject. All
the attention seeking, prophetic, new agie, channeling, remote
viewing, astrology crazed, peudo scientific charlatans out there that
claim to be "UFO researchers" damage the research (yes, I'm talking
about you, Morton). The bullshit stacks up so fast in this field you
need wings to stay above it. What's even more disconcerting is when
the scientists don't do proper science.

We simply don't have the luxury of being able to apply religious
interpretation to it all or being able assess it's spiritual meaning
or whatever until it's firmly proven and the mainstream scientific
community and society as a whole is forced to deal with the fact that
it's real.


Carl Sagan was right when he said

P R O T E C T  T H E  S C I E N C E!!

I think the man had something there.




Jared.