From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:34:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:33:42 -0400
Subject: Nightwatch Online - Discussion with Velez -
Discussion with John Velez
NightWatch has just had the great honor and pleasure to present:
A Discussion with John Velez !
Following is the transcript from the one hour discussion held on 7/18/97
from 8-9 PM EST in the NightWatch "Aside" Chat Room:
Max Q Baker (MQB, hereafter):
Hello everyone and welcome to our discussion.
Please note that anyone who posts a question - whether personal in nature
or not - will not be identified by their name in the final transcript. All
people will be identified simply by the word "question".
Also please note that anything John says is protected under copyright laws
and can not be reproduced without his permission.
And with those formalities aside...
John, on behalf of NightWatch, Mike Fulstone and I would like to welcome
you and thank you for taking the time out of your very busy schedule to
discuss the issue of alien abductions with us, and to answer some of the
following questions which were sent to you.
John Velez:
Glad to do it, thank you for having me.
MQB:
First off, though, could you take a moment to introduce yourself so that
our readers/viewers can get to know you a little better?
John Velez:
I'm 48 years old, married 28 years, father of two, daughter Jeanine 24, son
James 22, and 21 month old grandson James Tyler.
I have lived in NYC all of my life. I worked in human services for ten
years as a crisis intervention counselor, director of a residential drug
rehab for Phoenix House, founded the first treatment facility in New York
for Viet Nam veterans returning from the war addicted, (1973) and created
the first "food bank' to feed the needy and the homeless in 1977 for the
"Project Return" Foundation.
I also have sixteen years experience as a graphic artist and lithographer.
For the last five years I have worked closely and assisted Budd Hopkins in
his work with abductees. I am currently webmaster of the Intruders
Foundation website and I'm trying to develop my own graphics business so
that I can support my work with the abductees.
I plan to continue counseling abduction experiencers, do UFO/Abduction
related speaking engagements, and offer my graphic art services to the public.
MQB:
That's a lot of very good work that you've done, and a lot of positive
experience you carry with you.
In regards to your current projects, aren't you also working on an exciting
new website of your own?
John Velez:
Yes, the new website! It's not open yet but when it is folks will be able
to access it via the Intruders Foundation website.
MQB:
Intruders Foundation webpage, which is:
http://www.spacelab.net/~jvif/bhhp.html
Now, tell me ... if you had to get a key point across in one sentence
regarding the phenomenon of alien abductions, what would it be?
John Velez:
It's a very real phenomenon! People need to know, it's as simple as that.
MQB:
On a PBS program which gave an overview of Mr. Hopkins and his work, he was
shown interviewing children of adult abductees. In the interview process he
was asking leading and obvious questions to very young children. The host
pointed out the technique he was using was clearly to solicit the answers
he wanted from these children who could barely even speak. It made him look
very bad, as it was blatantly manipulative on his part. My question: How
does he (and others like him) answer to these types of criticisms in the
media? Does he have a legitimate justification, or was he truly - simply
being manipulative?
John Velez:
I agree with the first part of your question/remark that Budds comments to
the child were in fact leading. I can only say that in my personal
experience in dealing with Budd on my own case he has never "led" or tried
to "lead" me in any way at all. I am a trained and experienced counselor
and I was always listening for it. Budd's an honest guy and I've never
heard anyone mention that they felt they had been 'led' or manipulated' in
any way.
As to how Budd and "others like him" answer these things, you'll have to
ask them! I can't "answer" for Budd. (Or anyone else)
MQB:
Mr. Hopkins research has also suggested that a percentage of abductees have
had abusive relationships in their background. Is this CONTINUING to be a
trend found in a percentage of their clients and if so, what "percentage"
of abductees, and to what do they attribute this trend?
John Velez:
No 'definitive' study has been conducted in terms of cataloging such data
nor has a statistical analysis been performed. The "percentage" of
abductees with 'abuse' as a part of their family history is an unknown and
has not yet been determined. This lack of available data also points out
the need for "basic" research into this phenomenon.
My best 'guess' would be that there are as many 'abductees' with abuse in
their backgrounds as there are within the general population. I'd say
that's a safe guess, because 'abductees' are just ordinary people.
MQB:
What can you tell us of a case he was involved in a few years ago of a
diplomat and his limo driver witnessing a young woman actually being
abducted and being levitated out of her apartment window here in the US?
John Velez:
Budds book on the case has been out for almost a year. Read "Witnessed, The
True Story of the Brooklyn Bridge Abduction" By Budd Hopkins, It'll answer
any questions that you may have about the case.
MQB:
Do you have any thoughts on why are there no clear photographs or videos of
UFOs? There are many photographs and videos available, and some are even
said to be legitimate, but they are always unclear, fuzzy, or whoever was
holding the video had a debilitating shaking disease of some kind. With as
many professional photographers out there who are interested in this
phenomenon, one would think they would be able to capture on video some
striking details, perhaps even from the well-publicized Phoenix sightings.
John Velez:
Oh, oh, you haven't been doing your homework! There is some excellent video
and photographic evidence available. I recommend "Voyagers of the Sixth
Sun" It's stuff that has been analyzed and deemed to be genuine "UFO's"
meaning that these things are (not) conventional aircraft or a hoax.
(No one can say with authority that they are 'extraterrestrial.')
If you want to download a videoclip of the March 13th 1997 mass sighting
over the city of Phoenix you can do so on the world wide web at:
http://personal.netwrx.net/xalium/ufovideo.htm
It is also my opinion that the mass sighting in Phoenix will prove to be a
watershed event.
MQB:
Getting down to the more important issue of abductions themselves, what
physical or emotional after-effects (especially those that can be
documented) have you found to be the most prevalent in abductions?
John Velez:
(In/during) abductions I guess it depends on the individual. Some folks
report relatively benign or even uplifting experiences, while others recall
being frightened and abused.
(After the fact) it's usually confusion, self doubt and thinking that you
must be going crazy. That's pretty applicable across the board. the
discovery of ones involvement shatters your world view into several
thousand tiny pieces. It takes time to put it all back together.
MQB:
And using a "hindsight 20/20" rule, after people realize they have had
abduction experiences that have been repressed, are there a series of
factors that you can say they all had in common as far as experiences,
symptoms, memories, fears, life changes, visionary feelings (etc.) - that
seem to be indications of consistent repressed abduction or alien encounter?
John Velez:
Yes, it is in fact these 'corroborating factors' that you mention that
occur from person to person that make this a "phenomenon" at all! That, and
unexplained partial (or complte) conscious memories that stretch back in
memory to early childhood and continue on into adulthood. It is the
("partial but consciously recalled memories") the ones that are carried
throughout life that allow one to finally 'make the connection' when
confronted with information or knowledge of the abduction scenario.
Folks don't just suddenly wake up one morning and decide that they've been
abducted by aliens! It's a lifetime of unexplained strange occurrences, and
unexplained strange events. Events and memories that ONLY the abduction
scenario answers completely. As "crazy" as it may sound, when I learned
about the details of alien abduction ALL of these (heretofore) unexplained
experiences finally made sense! <G>
MQB:
Could these factors be used as a "loose guideline" for others - who do not
think they have ever had an abduction experience - to consider the
possibility more seriously?
John Velez:
Yes, a comprehensive listing of these "corroborating details" are available
in Dr David Jacobs excellent book on the subject, "Secret Lives." I highly
recommend it for those who seek information on the patterns (memory and
otherwise) that are unique to, and associated with, alien abduction.
Actually, Davids book is the 'definitive work' on that aspect of it.
MQB:
As for the aliens themselves, there have been said to be three types of
aliens, greys, lizard like tall ones, and some other type. Are these
images common among abductees who remember their experiences? Do these
people ever get told anything of what is going on and why this is happening
to them - and if so - what?
John Velez:
There have been more than just the three types that you have mentioned
reported throughout the years and throughout the world. Some types of
aliens are more frequently reported than others. (The Greys for example.)
Some types are reported more often than others sometimes by country of
origin. The Europeans for instance have a higher percentage of reported
Human like or humanoid aliens than Greys. In the USA that situation is
reversed with Grey aliens being more commonly reported than the humanoid
type. Although both of these (and others) are reported here.
Some folks claim to have been told and shown things by the aliens, I am of
the opinion that we shouldn't trust anything the aliens tell us until it
has been determined (with confidence) what their motives are in abducting
our citizens against their will. Until I have an answer to that, I will
withold my 'trust.'
MQB:
Not all the abduction cases are said to be abusive to the abductee. In some
cases, they are said to be shown beautiful sights in other dimensions or
worlds, and even come out of the experience having strong positive feelings
about life and the environment. Are there different classes of aliens that
seem to be associated with different types of abduction phenomenon?
John Velez:
I believe that it has more to do with individual psychology than anything
else.. In "normal" waking life not all people deal with the same things in
the same way. Some have better 'coping skills' than others. It's the same
with how one perceives or learns to cope with the reality of alien
intervention into ones life. Different strokes for different folks.We have
to maintain an open mind not only in regard to the phenomenon itself, but
with each other as well.
MQB:
What, if any, biological changes occur in abductees? Are there any
consistent or semi-consistent changes in DNA, blood type, current
illnesses, immunity to illnesses, radiation levels, etc?
John Velez:
Again, a definitive study has NOT been conducted (by anyone) in order to
make these determinations. This is important data that needs to be
cataloged and studied. It points out the glaring need for basic research
and it is something that I have been working very hard to raise
consciousness about. We need a serious investigation now! What is happening
to us today, could be happening to you or yours tomorrow. It's a matter of
utmost urgency for ALL.
Just ask yourself this,..."what if we're not all crazy or hallucinating and
everything we're reporting is true!" Don't you think we ought to take the
time to _find out_ one way or another? I do.
MQB:
Regarding "Implants". If so many people have received alien implants, where
is there conclusive documented proof of their existence (the implants) and
what they are? If they are real and have been seen by real doctors and
examined in science labs, why isn't this considered proof of alien existence?
John Velez:
Go to the Intruders Foundation website and check out the data, the x-rays,
implants, doctors reports, analysis results, and then go to Whitley
Striebers site and look for more. I think you're in for a surprise or a
shock, which one, depends on you I suppose.
MQB:
And how is it, that after all the abductions that have been made public,
there are so many who simply do not believe that they are real? Often the
phrase "just anecdotal" is used to dismiss out-of-hand those whose lives
have been turned upside-down because of their encounters. What can be said
to the skeptics without falling into their "prove it to me" trap?
John Velez:
After almost five years of deep involvement in trying to educate/condition
the public about the alien presence on OUR world, I have arrived at the
conclusion that THE ONLY THING that will convince people completely is an
overt demonstration on the part of the aliens. One that would be undeniable
to ALL, and tantamount to an open declaration of their presence here. It is
my belief that NOTHING short of (that) will do. It's (sadly) just the way
it is, and just about what it's going to take. In the (final) analysis, it
really is, "up to them!" (The aliens)
Why do some people believe in Allah and some in Jesus or Buddha, or
nothing at all? I can't answer why someone believes or another one doesn't
believe. To tell you the truth, I don't care whether anyone "believes me"
or not.
I have lived up to the dictates of my conscience by reporting to my fellow
creatures what is going on with myself and my family. What people do with
that information afterwards is entirely up to them. I did what I had to do,
and paid a price to do it.
As for the hard core skeptics, nothing short of an alien rectal probe is
going to convince _them_ of anything! <G>
MQB:
This is more of a "karmic" question, but do you think that abductees may
have had a prior agreement with the greys - to work with them in this
lifetime? If not, why would anyone (i.e. the greys) choose to do this to us?
John Velez:
No, I don't think that I, or anyone else, made some kind "prior"
agreement/contract with the Greys to allow the lifetime of abductions. It
is my belief that it's a bit of "New Age" fluff that the "all knowing
enlightened ones" have been dishing out as a kind of pablum or
tranquilizer. I'm pissed and I want to stay that way until we all learn
(for sure) what's going on. We need to empower ourselves, not give in to
what may be a premature and total submission.
MQB:
Recently, it was rumored that you have distanced yourself from Budd Hopkins
and the Intruders Foundation. Is this true, and if "yes". then how would
you like this split to be perceived by the interested public?
John Velez:
Yes, it's true. It is something that I did for reasons I have posted
elsewhere. If folks are genuinely interested they can go to the UFO UpDates
archive and look up my posts.
UFO UpDates Instant Archive now available at
http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates
Suffice it to say that it was (my choice) and that there is no 'bad blood'
between Budd and myself. He was surprized and upset when I told him that I
was leaving.
We both love and respect one another, our relationship has been based on
it. He had chosen me for the work and allowed me to represent him, there is
no higher compliment or vote of confidence that one man can give another.
It's simply time for me to move on.
MQB:
And that actually ... is the end of the formal questions that we had given
to John ahead of time...
John, I know you are busy and making the time to join us tonight was
probably very difficult...
But if you would like to add anything ... or if anyone in the chat room has
any questions...
John Velez:
You've got me for another 20 mins' If anyone would like to ask follow ups
I'm open.
Question:
John, what could be the purpose of abductions? If these aliens are so
advanced, why would they need to conduct repeated tests on the human race?
John Velez:
I don't know! The sad truth of it all is that NO ONE KNOWS what these guys
are up to or why they are abducting our people.
Question:
What of the rumor that the government has made a pact with aliens? I.e.: so
much technology for so many abductions.
John Velez:
You'd have to ask one of the "Conspiracy" guys. I'm not much on paranoia,
government or otherwise!
Question:
Could I ask you when was the last time you were taken?
John Velez:
I "think" it was about three years ago, but who knows! One of the nasty
features about this abduction business is the fact that it's hard to
remember much detail afterwards. Catch 22!
Question:
Have there been reliable accounts of experiences with aliens that never
involve physical encounters - i.e. no experiments or UFO involved? In other
words, mental only? Also, what do you think becomes of the hybrids when
they reach maturity? We only hear about the fetus to childhood?
John Velez:
First, I've never heard of a "mental abduction" don't know what it is so I
won't resond to that one. Secondly, we don't know what happens to the
hybrids or even why they are being created. Lookout though, anyone who
claims to have THE answers to (those questions) is probably going to try to
sell you Amway products too! <G>
Question:
The aliens always seem to be able to breathe our air - is it odd that they
would have the same mixture of gases where they are originating?
John Velez:
If I were an alien I might be able to tell you. We know very little about
these beings or their purposes. Again, that's why I work so hard to get
some serious and basic research done.
Got time for one or two more.
Question:
In addressing cases you have researched where abductions have occurred from
generation to generation in families, what is the largest group of
abductees that you have encountered among related family members in other
words how many generations has it effected
John Velez:
From what Budd has told me, three generations in one case he had worked on.
Grandmother, daughter, and grand daughter.
John Velez:
I have time for one more question.
MQB:
John - is it true that abductees often experience unusual nose bleeds or
discover other small wounds or burns that they can not explain?
John Velez:
Oh yeah! I've been communicating with two doctors who assure me that the
"scoop marks" (little round crater like wounds) are not "normal" in
appearance.
It turns out that they are "Punch biopsies" the difference between the ones
on the bodies of the abductees and procedures performed by earthly
physicians is, the marks on the abductees do not appear over diseased
tissue! This is significant because 99.9 percent of punch biopsies are
performed in order to diagnose skin cancers and the like.
The marks on the abductees appear over "healthy tissue" there is no medical
reason for them to have been performed other than to gather genetic
material. That, according to the two university physicians I am currently
communicating with is "highly unusual" and what prompted them to contact me
in the first place.
MQB:
That's amazing information! But now, we seem to be about out of time...
John, thank you again for taking this time to speak with everyone here this
evening. This is a heated, emotional, and often misunderstood topic, and we
appreciate everything you have done and will continue to do to help educate
the public about the plain-truth existence of aliens and the trauma that
results from these abductions. We wish you and your family love, health,
happiness, and peace - and much success in all your endeavors - including
your soon-to-be new website at: http://www.spacelab.net/~jvif/bhhp.html
which we hope everyone has a chance to visit and take advantage of.
And beyond that - all I have to say is thank you very much for
coming tonight. It has been a real honor and a pleasure to have had this
unique opportunity:)
John Velez:
Thank you for having me!
Dr David Jacobs, "Secret Lives": <br>
The site listed below currently has an intelligent review of this book for
anyone who is interested.
http://www.iac.net/~ariev/_ufo/secrets.html
Intruder's Foundation -implants info page
http://www.spacelab.net/~jvif/imprec.html
http://www.strieber.com/ Whitley Strieber's homepage
John Velez
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