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Stan Friedman on Jeffrey..Part 1 of 3

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:52:24 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:20:04 -0400
Subject: Stan Friedman on Jeffrey..Part 1 of 3

Stanton Friedman asked me to pass this on to the List.
Please respond directly to Stan and/or this List as you
feel the need, NOT me.

While I agree with most his comments, they are his not mine.

Dave Vetterick
=========================================================

July 21, 1997
Kent Jeffrey and Roswell
By Stanton T. Friedman

Kent Jeffrey's anti-Roswell conclusions (MUFON Journal,  June,
1997)  are based on the same kind of false reasoning that led to
his pro-Roswell views: Don't bother me with the facts, my mind's
made up; be enthusiastic and ready to put ones money where ones
mouth is, but don't have the facts in hand first;  don't bother
finding out how security works; believe what one wants to believe.
Do one's research by proclamation rather than investigation.
Select from the data available to back up your conclusions,
and ignore the facts that don't.

Kent stated on a recent radio show with me that he has never had
a security clearance and his article certainly shows over and
over again that he doesn't understand: that higher classification
info cannot be presented in lower classification documents; that
having a particular level clearance is not enough to gain access
to classified information; that one must have a need-to-know for
that information; that people with high level security clearance
do not pass on classified information to people not having a
clearance and need-to-know for the information.

Kent decided the Santilli footage was fraudulent because of the
curled phone cord.  I asked if he had checked with the phone
company. He said he didn't need to. He knew there were no curled
cords in 1947. He was wrong. The patent was granted in 1937 and
production began in 1938. I tried to keep him from wasting big
money on attorneys because no evidence had been presented that
Frank Kaufman had played any roll in intelligence in 1947 (he was
a civilian clerk on the base) or needed legal counsel.  Kent
didn't need any evidence because he and his father had a good
visit with Frank. So he wasted thousands of dollars.

I tried to get him to understand that it was ridiculous to jump
from talking about events in New Mexico in July, 1947 to demanding
the president declassify everything learned about ETs since 1947
which might, of course, include technology of great  importance
from a military viewpoint. I didn't sign the Roswell Initiative because
I do not believe technical data  (defensive or offensive) should be put
on the table for the Saddam Husseins of the world.  Remember that one
can't tell one's  friends without telling one's enemies.

Kent can't seem to understand the utter foolishness of his comment
that information about ETs is "knowledge of profound importance
to which we are all entitled". Important? Certainly.  But why does he
think we are all entitled? There is an annual black budget of  $30
Billion.
Our elected representatives obviously believe there is a great deal of
information to which we are not entitled. Other foolish nonsense
includes
"The existence of a crashed alien spacecraft would have been much more
of a social and scientific issue than a national security issue." Is
there no
understanding that the government was confronted with a vehicle
having exotic flight capability (clearly potentially useful  for
weapons delivery, for defense, for reconnaissance) whose origin wasn't
known, whose purpose wasn't known, and whose technology
would be useful, not only to the US, but to our enemies? What
weapons did the aliens have? Would aliens work with our enemies?
would they be attacking Earth? These are major security issues.

Kent hardly mentions  the security level of the many documents to
which he refers, and which he proclaims would have certainly told
about a crashed saucer. He acts as if he has seen all the relevant
documents, and as though all members of the advisory board would
have had a need-to-know for compartmentalized information. Only
one document, as it happens, was TOP SECRET and it dealt with
"Analysis of  Incidents", not analysis of wreckage; two very
different areas of technological investigation. I have been to 17
Archives now.  At none of them did I have access  to Special
Compartmented Information rated, for example, TOP SECRET/UMBRA
or ULTRA, or MAJIC.  W.B. Smith, in a 1950 TOP SECRET memo
said the matter of flying saucers was the most classified subject in the
USA, even more than the H-bomb.  And Kent thinks we are all entitled
to know all about them !!!

Kent talked to 3 former officers of  the FTD, none of whom were
at Wright Pat in 1947. He insults them by saying if they had
known anything highly classified about crashed saucers, they would
have told him (no clearance and no need to know) what they knew.
The very reason they might have been so kind to him is that
they wanted to be sure to dissuade someone so naive that there
was anything. Furthermore, I have several times been inside a
vault at FTD when I was a project engineer on a contract with
them for Aerojet General Nucleonics. It was a very compartmentalized
place. The primary focus at FTD was paperwork from foreign
scientists, spies, and intelligence analysts. I have trouble believing
it
was ever FTD's job to go from analyzing wreckage to developing new
technology. The U-2, Stealth, SR-71, and a myriad of other  technologies
were devised by  industry under contract  to major CIA, USAF, NAVY,
or Army groups, NOT at FTD.

General Arthur Exon told me in person that he did NOT have a need
to know for all the activities at WPAFB even when he was base
commander in the mid 60's. We cannot even be certain that the three
officers would have been told about events and wreckage brought there
more than a decade earlier. Their concern was the here and the now,
the near future, and enemy (not alien) technology. It would have been
much more likely to ship wreckage to a highly classified facility such
as
Area 51 (supposedly established in the late 1940s), or a part of Los
Alamos
or  Sandia. With the very successful Manhattan Project as a shining
example, it seems most likely that a Special Project would have been
established outside the US Air Force, Navy, or Army....
let's call it Operation Majestic 12.

============Continued in part 2 of 3==================================



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