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From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 06:14:52 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 06:14:52 -0400
Subject: The Carp Case - A Review (Part 2/6)




Part 2.

Originally published in
The MUFON Ontario Newsletter
Volume 1.2 - May 1994


The Carp Case - The MUFON Ontario Version
by Tom Theofanous & Errol Bruce-Knapp

Carp Review Part 2.

The following morning, Graham Lightfoot, Oechsler and his son met
and drove to the Labanek's home at Manion Corners near Carp,
Ontario. Graham reintroduced himself and asked Diane Labanek if
she remembered him. "Vaguely" she said, and then remembered
their conversation about a bright light that had headed towards
the swamp at the bottom of her field back in 1990.

When asked if she had seen anything strange since then, she
described an event that happened in their field. It seems she
was putting her children to bed one night in August 1991 and
something caught here eye from the second floor bedroom.

Labanek described seeing what she thought was a fire, or perhaps
flares burning at the far end of the field behind the house and
as she watched, a 'craft' landed next to the fire/flares. "After
a few minutes, maybe five or eight, the very bright lights on the
craft went out - just like you turn off a light-bulb. And soon
after, the flares went out. Then some minutes later, a
helicopter came and hovered over the area - like they were
looking for something" she said.

When she was asked later why she hadn't called the fire
department about a 'fire' burning in her field, which was tinder
dry in the August heat, she replied "I didn't think that anyone
would believe and I thought I'd get into trouble!"

On Oechsler's next visit to the Labanek's, she was asked to draw
what she had seen. She drew a craft that she described as being
silver/grey, with a zigzag design around it, sitting on three
blocks which, coincidently, matched a drawing that was in one of
the Guardian packages (see MufoN Ontario Newsletter, Volume 1.1,
page 14) - a drawing that she maintained she'd never seen.

Labanek was able to see an object and details that were over 2200
feet away in the dark and brightly lit from the bottom up.
Guardian's video camera, which was closer, couldn't see the
'thunderbolt insignia' around the 'craft' or the three 'blocks'
beneath the craft. The video clearly shows the 'craft' to be red
and not silver/grey.


MORE ON GUARDIAN'S VIDEO

In the version of Guardian's video that was sent to CUFORN, the
Canadian UFO Research Network, the last three frames show a
windshield with the wiper blades in an upright position. Why
would Guardian put those frames that appear to have been shot at
night with artificial light, on the tape? Were those frames
designed to give a clue as to what the craft really was?

In the course of one of many discussions between the
investigators, Tom Theofanous asked Oechsler what he thought
about the windshield footage on Guardian's video. Oechsler
replied that it wasn't a windshield but rather the design on the
side of the 'craft'. Tom asked how he'd come to that conclusion?
Oechsler replied "Well there's Diane's evidence together with my
expertise in analysis - that's how."

Oechsler had once again brought up his 'qualifications and
expertise', which he seemingly did and still does at the drop of
a hat. Unfortunately, Oechsler's qualifications on the subject
of windshields were definitely non-existent when compared to
Tom's - he's been running a windshield repair company for the
past seven years!

'FIELD INVESTIGATOR' OECHSLER

Oechsler and Graham went out to the field after their first talk
with Diane Labanek. The previous night, at a restaurant,
Oechsler had claimed that he had found the 'landing site' and now
insisted that they look for 'evidence'. He spotted an area of
grass that had been "dug up during the landing". Graham, who
works for the Ontario Federation of Agriculture, patiently
explained that skunks caused that kind of damage while looking
for grubs.

Oechsler's biography touts his experience in dealing with the UFO
phenomenon and his expertise in 'field work', an expertise not on
display that day. "He seemed not to know what he was looking for
or anything much about country nature" Graham observed later.

Oechsler's inexperience continued to make to show as he pointed
to vegetation that had "been treated with microwave radiation"!
How did he come to that conclusion without using any instruments?
"It's very dry and brittle, so it's obviously been irradiated"
Oechsler said.

The 'irradiated' plants were Juniper bushes that always look that
way after a Canadian winter - bleached, dried and flattened by
heavy snow, probably in much the same way as in Maryland,
Oechsler's home-state.

Graham and Oechsler continued to examine what Oechsler was
convinced was the landing site. He then asked Graham if he had
anything to put samples in. Graham thought that it was extremely
odd that an investigator of Oechsler's 'calibre' would show up
with no sample containers and handed over some empty film
canisters for Oechsler's samples.

On returning to Labanek's house later that day, Labanek told them
that her husband Bill had "gone for milk" at around 10:00pm on
the evening of the 'landing' and had missed it. Bill Labanek had
been doing a 'milk-run' on the night in 1989 when there had been
a 'crash' in their swamp.

He didn't seem to be at all concerned about what had transpired
on his property on either occasion. He didn't bother to take the
time to go look at the spot which his wife said had been a 'UFO
landing site'.

Diane Labanek claims to have gone only part way into the field
the day after the 'landing', looked briefly in the direction of
the 'landing site', didn't see anything, and walked back to the
house.

She had told no one about what she saw that night until Graham
and Oechsler asked her about it.

Why didn't she walk the remaining couple of hundred yards to
where this 'amazing event' took place? She says that it was "a
beautiful summer evening" too.

That evening Graham called Tom in Toronto and recounted the days
events. They discussed Oechsler and his amateurish approach to
the investigation and observed that a pattern seemed to be
emerging. It seemed that Oechsler was incompetent, egocentric
and attempting to steer the case and its facts to fit in with his
own agenda.


HELICOPTERS

As a follow-up to Diane Labanek's assertions about helicopter
activity following the 'landing', Investigator Drew Williamson
called the Department of National Defence (DND) on May 12, 1992.
He was told that the military held exercises every August using
helicopters and that they had to get permission from landowners
for the choppers to land in their fields. If an emergency were
to arise and a helicopter had to land DND would pay compensation
for any damage caused.

On July 12, 1992, Graham made a number of calls to various
military establishments to get information on helicopter
activity. He was told that they don't use flares during landings
at night, but do use Chem-Sticks that glow in the dark. Captain
Mark Bigoutte said that although choppers were on exercise on
August 19, 1991, they were many miles to the west of Manion
Corners.

On July 14, 1992 Oechsler arrived back at Graham's place and the
next day they went to Uplands Royal Canadian Airforce base and
showed Colonel Cajo Brando and Major Norm Patterson the Guardian
video - over and over.

Colonel Brando didn't think it was a helicopter and when shown a
photograph taken by one of the Labanek children of a Huey
Helicopter that Diane Labanek maintained had 'buzzed' their home
after the 'landing', he said, "It's not one ours, they were
decommissioned (taken out of active-service) two years ago."

Brando suggested that it may have been an American chopper that
had come across the border without notifying Canadian authorities
- something which, apparently, happens often.

Later that day, Graham and Oechsler returned to the Labanek's and
collected some fifteen soil and plant samples from the supposed
'landing' site. On a radio call-in show, March 30th '93,
Oechsler claimed to have collected "over a hundred samples from
all over the area"!


UNSOLVED MYSTERIES

Oechsler, in a conversation with Graham and Tom expressed
interest in getting the case on the 'Unsolved Mysteries' tv show,
feeling that it might flush Guardian out. Tom countered that it
might be better to further investigate the claims of the
'witnesses' before giving the case national tv exposure.

What neither Tom nor Graham knew at the time, was that Oechsler
had already gone ahead and made a deal with Unsolved Mysteries to
shoot a segment on the Carp Case in the fall.

In the following three months preparations were made for the
shooting of the 'Unsolved' segment with Graham received many
calls from and eventually met the tv show's Bob Kiviat and Bob
Wise.

Oechsler flew into Ottawa in mid October 1992 with the 'Unsolved'
crew and interviewed Major Patterson about the Guardian
'Documents'.

Graham, feeling as he did about Oechsler's 'slant' on the case
was very reluctant to appear on the show and it took many calls
from various production people to eventually talk him into
appearing.

On November 15, 1992 participants in the Carp segment gathered at
General Assembly for the taping. Graham met Bruce Macabbee for
the first time and, to use his words, "was not very impressed."
He put his contribution 'in the can' the next day at the
Labanek's.


GUARDIAN REVEALED

In the course of a meeting on November 19, 1992 Graham learned
that a man named Andy Williams claimed that he knew who Guardian
was. Graham and Oechsler arranged to meet with Williams the next
day in Ottawa. Andy Williams explained that a friend of many
years, Bobby Charlebois, had an on-going interest in UFOs and had
called himself 'Guardian' over the course of those years. He went
on to give details about Bobby Charlebois and his 'interests'.

Oechsler, inexplicably, gave Andy Williams much material
regarding the Carp case.

On November 22nd, Graham discovered that a co-worker knew Bobby
Charlebois well - his sister, Meg had dated the Guardian
'suspect'. Graham talked with Meg and she confirmed that
Charlebois was an avid UFO buff and had discussed the phenomenon
on many occasions in the past.

Despite having signed an 'exclusive' with 'Unsolved Mysteries' to
not do another show until 30 days after their 'airing' of the
Carp Case, Oechsler records a segment for 'Sightings' in January
of 1993 without telling Graham until after the fact.

Interestingly, Dr. A.J. Quarington a 'witness' participates in
'Sightings' after refusing to meet or even discuss the case with
Graham and Clive Nadin (the former Director of MufoN Ontario) in
the early stages of the investigation.


FINGERPRINTS

On February 1, 1993 Oechsler and Graham meet with reporter Lois
Tuffin, who also knows Bobby Charlebois well. Oechsler asked her
to deliver a large package of UFO material to Charlebois in the
hopes of getting his fingerprints. She did so, but the package
was returned to her an hour later.

The following day Oechsler collected the package from Lois and
took it to the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) to have it checked
for fingerprints. There were none and the feeling was that
Charlebois had out-smarted them, wiping the package clean. It
seems that Charlebois has something to hide.

Diane Labanek, on hearing Bobby Charlebois name said that she had
known him "for a while" and that he was a good friend who visited
often.

Oechsler asked her to try and get Charlebois' fingerprints from
any drinking glasses that he might use. Labanek claimed that
Charlebois always wiped them clean.

End of Part Two