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From: jvif@spacelab.net (John Velez)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:35:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:09:20 -0400
Subject: Re: "...CNI News article is filled with
>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:05:23 -0400
>From: "Steven M. Greer M.D." <Dr_ET@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Reply to Lindemann
>To: "Donna T." <wabbitz@hti.net>
>Cc: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> [and many others - ebk]
>REPLY TO MICHAEL LINDEMANN/CNI ARTICLE
> 3 June 1997
>We are in receipt of the Michael Lindemann/CNI News article
>regarding the April 9, 1997 briefings in Washington DC.
>It is unfortunate that Mr. Lindemann decided to write and distribute
>such an article without first consulting with CSETI regarding the
>numerous false accusations mentioned therein.
(snip)
Hello All,
What is "unfortunate" is the fact that our 'self-appointed' fearless
leader's own organization CSETI did not consult with ANYONE (other
than 'Bootsie & Larry') about the major move it was about to make. Nor
did it give *anyone* a say so in terms of who was (most qualified) to
head up this (admittedly) historic presentation to our government
representatives!
Greer's supporters have repeatedly ignored the fact that the man appointed
himself "the peoples representative". The man is secretive, covetous of
information and attention, and after having spoken to him personally on
another unrelated issue, he demonstrated to me an over-inflated sense of
his own self-importance. I instinctively distrust folks like that.
As in his e-mail response to Mike Lindemann, Dr.Greer shows a penchant for
name dropping and loves to talk about all the 'important people' he deals
with and all the 'important situations' he has manipulated himself into.
I've got news for you, I'd have a lot more confidence in all of this if a
man like Vallee, or even a Jerome Clarke was at the head. I don't like that
a 'private' money machine like CSETI is in control! I don't like the fact
that a private anything is in control. Dictatorially doling out information
as _it_ sees fit, sans the voice or the opinions of the very people that
it claims to represent.
No I'm afraid that good old fashioned ego-dysfunction and dreams of
avarice lie at the bottom of Greer's egalitarian efforts. He's already
warned us that we'll have to wait for his "book" to get the answers to
several issues and questions that have been raised.
His theories are 'off the wall' to say the very least (ie: 98% of all
abductions are carried out by clandestine intelligence groups!) These
rants go unchallenged and unsubstantiated to date. Yet this guy (who
claims to be sacrificing his doctors income on the one hand,... while he
actively solicits and accepts funds, European jaunts in Lear Jets, and limo
rides from 'Bootsie & Larry' with the other hand) wants us all to accept
him, and his 'Grand and Original plan' (and) line of BS without question.
Why, the good doctor can't even understand why EVERYONE isn't behind him!
They must be envious, jealous, liars or worse - he thinks.
This is a democracy doc.
YOU CANNOT PRESUME TO REPRESENT "PEOPLE" BEFORE (OUR) DULY ELECTED
OFFICIALS WITHOUT FIRST CONSULTING US! UNNERSTAND? Too many good guys have
paid the ultimate price, given their precious lives for our rights,
and here you come along and negate the whole process and then get mad when
all the 'sheeple' don't just pop into line for you. You _are_ one amazing
dude.
At the very least, Greer and CSETI could have contacted several of the
larger groups or organisations and formed the first 'United' UFO umbrella
organisation. That, in itself would have won you my support! Then, you
could have taken the time to find out who (the majority) wanted as it's
representative in Washington!
That's the way things get done downtown doc. Anything less is simply
unacceptable. (In the USA) I don't give a rats hind-quarters how noble or
important the objective is. You and CSETI are catching all of this flack
because you went about this whole business bass-ackwards and solitarily.
I'm mad as hell that the officials in DC think that _you_ represent me. As
an American who believes strongly in the Constitution and our democratic
ways of choosing representatives, I find you, CSETI and your methods
repulsive, completely un-American, and unacceptable. In your response to
Mike Lindemann, you just come off sounding like a name dropping, litigious
blowhard. Didn't score many sorely needed 'brownie points' with that one
doc. A lot of folks like and respect Mike Lindemann. I'd never even heard
of _you_ until recently.
Until proven otherwise, Michael Lindemann's (word) carries a lot more weight
with me and many others than (anything) that comes from you or CSETI. Mr
Lindeman has EARNED that respect, you,...have not. See how this works doc?
Maybe you are "the best man" for the job. Problem is, you never _gave_us_a
_chance_ to _make_up_our_own_minds_. Instead we are confronted with Mort
Sahl's famous comedy situation, "It's like finding out that you're pregnant,
and then trying to fall in love!" That's a definite 'no-go' doc!
Litigation,.. the favorite last resort of yuppie wimps everywhere! It
really doesn't surprise me that you know some 'good lawyers'. <G>
Jeez, whatever happened to open public debate and the seeking of consensus?
It's a sad day when everything gets done in back rooms by private groups
with private money, and,... behind the scenes. CSETI and Dr Greer are
behaving the same way our military did during the Gulf war. Control the
media, and the flow of information, and as a result, you'll control the
people by controlling the raw material they use to form opinions. In
another time it was called Fascism.
Just 'my opinion' and speaking strictly for myself,
John Velez, Bad-ass, die-hard, Proud American!
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