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From: "Steven J. Powell" <sjpowell@access.digex.net>
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 12:02:41 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 13:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Devereux-Rutkowski: EL/TST Debate

>From: DevereuxP@aol.com
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:50:23 -0500 (EST)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Devereux-Rutowski: EL/TST Debate

>EL can be as large (eg. at Hessdalen) as reported UFOs; if they
>are a form of plasma, as seems likely (most scientists are
>assuming that for ball lightning, for instance) , then they can
>appear glowing and multicoloured at night, and appear as
>metallic-looking disks and globes in daylight.

Can they be picked up on airport radar?  Wouldn't radar tapes
from airports near seismically active areas be an excellent data
source?

> SPECIAL NOTE: With regard to 'energy' dowsing, I have for 15 or
> more years been the chief critic of such claims in the UK - and
> you can check that with any neutral observer (try Bob Rickard if
> you like, editor of *Fortean Times*). I have been hated, abused,
> and otherwise reviled by New Age circles and dowsing groups
> because of my emphatic opposition to their nonsense.

Do you feel the same about 'water' dowsing?

>When we were doing our  work in Wales, a certain person in the
>Edinburgh Seismological Unit (who shall remain nameless) told me
>that when he retired, he would write a book on the LP- seismic
>connection. "You should see what we have here," he said,
>tauntingly!

Is it possible to guess at the type/kind of data this person is
referring to?

>I'll state my current position regarding EL, to minimise, if
>possible, misunderstandings.

> i)  I am going for a tectonic connection with EL because EQL
>    *are* produced (let us not be ridiculously coy about this),
>    and it therefore seems a logical starting point. Investigation
>    to date provides a broad base of evidence - in addition to
>    Persinger's work on the TST - suggesting this approach is
>    reasonably founded. But I do not rule out meteorological
>    elements as well - and, quite probably, other factors of which
>    we are unaware at present.

> ii) I think the brand of EQL we call EL sometimes display
>    sufficiently distinct characteristics, which I have described
>    partially here and fully elsewhere, to warrant that special
>    designation.

>iii) EL reportedly behave as if that have electromagnetic
>    properties, but also, at times, seem to display  more exotic
>    ones unfamiliar to the current state of geophysics. One
>    reason for this,  I suspect, from study of hundreds of cases,
>    is that macro-quantum characteristics are displayed.
>    Macro-quantal phenomena have been produced in the laboratory,
>    and quantum scientists with whom I have discussed this matter
>    accept the possibility. But, we'll see. iv)  I do *not* think
>    EL account for most UFO sightings. I think most UFO reports
>    can be deconstructed into psychosocial phenomena. I do think
>    some reports do relate  to actual unexplained phenomena,
>    however, and so far I am satisfied that  those limited number
>    of cases  can be studied from the EL angle. If anything ever
>    comes up to convince me to modify that view, I will readily
>    do so.

That leaves the better cases such as Westchester/Long Island,
Cash-Landrum, Bentwaters, Belgium, Gulf Breeze, etc.


Thanks, take care.
John.

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