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From: DevereuxP@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:33:30 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:42:56 -0500
Subject: Re: EL/TST

>Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 12:02:41 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Steven J. Powell" <sjpowell@access.digex.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Devereux-Rutkowski: EL/TST Debate

On March 9, John wrote:

>Can they [earth lights] be picked up on airport radar?  Wouldn't
>radar tapes from airports near seismically active areas be an
>excellent data source?

A very good question, and this point hasn't been lost on earth
lights researchers. During the 1980s' Hessdalen wave of light
phenomena, there were cases of visually observed lights yielding
radar echoes. (However, sometimes, even when the same light was
being witnessed, no radar echoes could be received from it for
a time! It is this "on-off"/"here-gone-here" characteristic, also
noticed in other ways with earth lights, that first led to the
suspicion that we are dealing with a macro-quantal phenomenon.)
 Also,I have spoken at length with air traffic controllers at the main
airport in Mexico City, who are equipped with advanced radar
equipment,who told me they received a radar echo from a spherical
 green light moving close to an airliner on approach, and which was
being observed by the plane's pilots and ground staff. So it would
seem,from what little chance we've had to check the matter, that
 earth lights can be picked up by radar - at least some of the time.

It would be nice indeed to use radar tapes - if one can get them!
A couple of years ago, while studying the "Marfa lights" in the
Big Bend country of Texas, we noted a radar blimp tethered at
15,000 feet not far from Marfa. We found that this was for monitoring
illegal traffic across the Mexico-Texas border, and that the radar
covered a very wide area and could distinguish targets down to
a metre across at ground level. This would have been ideal for
our purposes - it covered the Marfa area and beyond, and we could
have checked tapes generally and specifically during periods where
lights were being specially reported. Alas, a formal approach
was ignored: what we wanted was essentially a record of screen
litter material that would not have been of specific interest
to the authorities. Not forthcoming, though.

Anyhow, radar is being included in the equipment arrays now being
worked on for the automatic monitoring of the Hessdalen valley.
When the valley is fully 'wired' (a huge job) we will have the
chance to obtain the ultimate in instrumental data. Moreover,
you, and anyone on this list and beyond, will have the opportunity
to monitor Hessdalen on the Net in real time! (I can't wait for
ETH-besotted ufologists to get their first glimpse of an earth
light in the comfort of their own homes!) Don't say we aren't trying
to bring the evidence to y'all.

>>With regard to 'energy' dowsing, I have for 15 or more years
>>been the chief critic of such claims in the UK - ...and I have
>>been hated, abused, and otherwise reviled by New Agecircles
>>and dowsing groups because of my emphatic opposition to their
>>nonsense.

> Do you feel the same about 'water' dowsing?

Our research indicated that there was some evidence for successful
water/object dowsing in a small number of cases. As I mentioned
to Chris Rutowski in private email, for example, in repeated tests,
we had one old guy - 72-year-old - who had never heard of dowsing
and who had never even held a dowsing rod, who could distinguish
plain water targets from those containing sugar and salt in double
blind tests with 100 percent accuracy.

Then Randi - would you believe? - further confirmed to me that
there was *something* in it all. He ran a TV show in the UK. He
had 5 dowsers, and for half an hour he ran them through some pretty
sophisticated tests. Four of them failed every one. Useless. But
one guy passed every one. He had 100 percent success with everything
Randi could throw at him. This made life difficult for Randi who
was, of course,  out to prove that dowsing was false. So in his
summing up, he only referred to the four who had bungled the tests.
 It was as if the successful man had never existed.

There has also been successful building foundation dowsing on
archaeological digs in Britin, all confirmed by excavation, and
some of the biggest names in UK archaeology have come out in support
of its effectiveness -- but, again, only a few doswers can actually
achieve this level of success.

What I am agin are the bozos who claim to dowse 'leylines', 'energy
lines', 'planetary grids' etc. That is total bunkum and I have
spent years studying it to ensure I know what I am talking about.

BUT - I didn't come on this list to discuss dowsing, fascinating
(or not)though it might be in its own right. It was a red herring
introduced by Chris Rutowski, and there is no place for it here.

>Is it possible to guess at the type/kind of data this person
>[at>the Edinburgh Seismic Unit] is referring to?

>From the nature of our conversation it would have been the production
of light phenomena in relation to tectonic activity. There is
in any case no doubt at all about this connection. As an absolutely
remarkable example, our TV film on earth lights shown in the UK
on November 3 (and here in N America on 17 and 22 March on Discovery
Channel) was followed by 7 days of widely reported light phenomena
over Cornwall and South Wales prior to an earthquake. As I have
written elsewhere, I and other witnesses saw large golden orbs
break out of cloud cover close to the epicentre location two years
previously. It looked like a scene from some special effects movie!

>That leaves the better cases such as Westchester/Long Island,
>Cash-Landrum, Bentwaters, Belgium, Gulf Breeze, etc.

Yes, but it isn't a long list, is it? Further, we have to ask
ourselves what the true nature of those 'better' cases really
is, and what exactly the EL approach has to answer in reality.
The Westchester case was, as certainly as one can say, due to
microlite funsters - a close reading of 'Night Siege' leaves very
little other option. The ideas/impressions of large 'craft' came
from people 'reading into' the movement of multiple lights (a
common problem). Expectation has a powerful effect on visual perception.
The sounds of engines etc, are all give-aways in my opinion. Gulf
Breeze - that is still on the table in some quarters, then? (One
despairs.) It isn't on mine. In the kindest analysis, the only
things that could possible be authentic in that situation are
lights out over the sea. The Belgian triangle *was* something,
a craft, but was it alien? I doubt it, frankly.

The Cash-Lundrum case was certainly an authentic event in my
opinion,too,I quite agree, and I just do not know what it was the
 witnesses encountered. Landrum was sure it was a secret military
device,remember, and that remains as likely an explanation as any.
It *could* have been an alien craft, but, quite honestly, it could
just as easily have been an earth light - such exotic plasmas
as EL can certainly appear as "a diamond of fire" (precisely the
appearance of a light seen during the 1905 Barmouth outbreak)and
can also take on the appearance of "dull aluminium". Moreover,
the physical effects the witnesses suffered are entirely in keeping
with the sort of clinical reactions to energy fields surrounding
a light phenomenon as assessed by - dare I mention his name on
this list? - Persinger. They would also fit in with the new 'vorton'
hypothesis being advanced by Fryberger at Stanford.

My reactions to the Bentwaters case are similar. Something bloody
odd almost certainly happened there. The objects could have been
alien craft. But, again, they could have been exotic phenomena.
We know (above) that EL can yield radar returns, so no problem
there. At least one of the visuals was of a 'fuzzy light'. Ther
behaviour of the objects, following planes, could also have been
an attractive reaction - if these things are magnetic/electricin
their make-up. (I also have my personal suspicions about pseudo-
intelligent interactivity on the parts of these phenomena, as have most
 investigators who have actually witnessed them, as I have. But this
 gets us into exotic areas against which the ETH pales, and I don't want
to get into it here at this time - I have written about this matter
elsewhere, in any case.) Nor are the speeds clocked up in this
case anything out of bounds for EL  - especially now we know vast
light phenomena such as 'sprites' can reach a fifth the speed
of light!

So, in short, we really do not know what EL has to explain. My
guess is that we do not know our planet and its energy dynamics
as well as we think we do, and it may be premature and even unnecessary
to postulate extra-terrestrial explanations (and despite the hoo-ha,
the ETH is no more than a postulation - it is so easy to forget
that fact). But, of course, there is no reason why ET craft and
EL cannot co-inhabit Earth's atmosphere. If ufology was *really*
an 'ology', *all* ufologists would be supportive of EL research
as it would at least help sort wheat from chaff, as well as tell
us more about the planet we live on. But we know that, by and
large, that's not what 'ufology' - especially in America - is
about, don't we?

All best,
Paul