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From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:32:11 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:32:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Book: 'Left at East Gate'??




I called Larry Fenwick of The Canadian UFO Research
Network (CUFORN) in Toronto this morning and read him
John Velez's post to UpDates.....

>Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 00:22:35 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: jvif@spacelab.net (John Velez)
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Book: 'Left at East Gate'??

>>From: KRandle993@aol.com [Kevin Randle]
>>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:27:45 -0400 (EDT)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Book: 'Left at East Gate'??

>> The facts seem to be that Larry Warren wasn't on base when the events
>>took place. Even Warren has admitted that he wasn't there. So how could
>>he possibly provide eyewitness testimony.

>>KRandle

[snip]

> (Excerpt)

>         On November 6th/88, Lawrence (Larry) Fenwick, noted Canadian
>         UFOlogist was interviewed for ParaNet on Sunday afternoon at
>         the Toronto residence of ParaNet Pi Sysop, Tom Mickus. He had
>         previously agreed to this interview, with the full knowledge
>         that it was being taped, and that the transcript would be
>         released for distribution on the North American ParaNet System.

>         ==============================================================

>                          Regarding Bentwaters:


>    <Mickus> "And how many air force personnel do you believe
>             witnessed this..."

>  <Fenwick> "It depends on what part you're talking about, the
>            underground meeting, or the above ground meeting.
>            There were at least a dozen people involved in that
>            case. And there were military policeman involved. One
>            chap who wasn't there, who claimed originally to have
>            been there, was a fellow named Larry Warren. He actually
>            heard it from someone else, another military policeman
>            who was at the underground meeting with the Men In Black
>            [MIB] supposedly. Giving instructions."

>   <Mickus> "But not much is known about that meeting?"

>  <Fenwick> "No, its only referred to very briefly in the book by
>            Jenny Randles and Dot Street, 'Skycrash'. There's
>            another authoress, but I've forgotten her name. I think
>            there's about one or two sentence about that in the
>            whole book. And that was probably the most important
>            aspect of it...and they couldn't get any more information
>            on that. I've got an unpublished manuscript by Larry
>            Warren at home...part of one chapter really...about 10
>            pages. He's writing a book, so he said that this is not
>            for publication...and he talked about some of his
>            experiences, not there...but as a Military policeman
>            being transferred to some secret NSA facilities in
>            Egypt, and another one in Florida."

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

>End quote

Regarding the above interview with Tom Mickus in
November of 1988, Larry Fenwick told me that Mickus
had plied him with several beers and Fenwick, not
being a drinker, had gotten fairly 'light-headed'.
It was at that point that Mickus pulled out his
tape-machine and asked if would be okay to record
their conversation. Fenwick said: "Sure!" He
maintains that he had no idea that their conversation
would be transcribed and distributed world-wide,
despite Mickus' assertion to the contrary, and that
he didn't say many of the things that Mickus'
transcript says he did.



>Apparently Larry Warren began writing another book in 1988 about
>his experiences as a military security policeman with _no_mention_
>of the Bentwaters incident. (Odd) It is this partial manuscript,
>and (I surmise) direct contact with Larry Warren that Mr Fenwick has
>based his remarks on. If this is so, then,...

>If anyone knows this "Fenwick" gentleman he should be contacted.
>First, for confirmation of the above statements, and secondly, to
>find out if he can produce the manuscript that he derived this
>information from.

[snip]

>Let's see where this one leads us! I almost feel as if I've loosed
>the hounds of Hell! I hope that some of our more experienced and
>responsible members pick up on this thread and do a little
>constructive snooping on behalf of us all! <G>

Larry Fenwick is in the midst of some changes
in his life and consequently is "very busy at
the moment!"

"It wasn't a 'manuscript' - it was a _letter_.",
says Fenwick. He thinks Warren's letter to him
was written in either 1989 or '90. He has it
on file, but its buried in his archives
amongst 2,000 or so pieces of correspondence.
It'll take a few days to dig-out, because of the
immediate things he needs to take care of.
He's assured me that once he finds it, he'll
give me a call and let me know if his memory
of it has served him well.

Fenwick doesn't recall all the details but
Warren's letter was only a couple of pages
long - not 10 as has been reported here and
that Warren had written to him 'in confidence'.

Warren didn't mention Bentwaters, though
Fenwick does recall that the 'Dulce' case
was mentioned. The letter focused on Warren's
'security work' in Egypt.

Fenwick has not met Warren, he did meet Robbins
at a TV station in Toronto "a couple of years
ago". He feels that "Warren is telling the
truth about his Bentwaters experiences" and that
"Kevin Randle is only guessing that Warren wasn't
present during the Bentwaters Incident."

I'm not sure that Larry Fenwick is prepared to
disclose the full contents of Warren's 'letter' to
him. He feels that he needs to fulfill his commitment
as to its 'confidentiallity'. "Despite the fact that it
Warren's story could be detrimental to ufology?", I
asked. "I don't think it contained _anything_
'detrimental' to ufology", was his response.

So, I don't think we're any further ahead with this
part of the 'story'.


Errol Bruce-Knapp