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From: TotlResrch@aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:23 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:05:37 -0400
Subject: Kal Korff Declared Winner in Meier Debate

From: TotalResearch, Public Affairs Office, (TotlResrch@aol.com)
To: Updates@globalserve.net
Date: May 13, 1997
Subject: Kal Korff Declared Winner in Meier Debate

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Kal Korff Declared Winner in Meier Debate

Seattle, Washington -- In a nationally-aired debate on the syndicated radio
show "SIGHTINGS," TotalResearch President and CEO, Kal Korff, debated UFO
author and researcher J. Randolph Winters on the merits of the controversial
Eduard "Billy" Meier case of Switzerland.

In the two hour broadcast, both Korff and Winters stated their positions on
the Meier case: Korff expressing his views that the case is an elaborate
hoax, and Winters stating that the "core" of the case was real.

A studio audience for the debate, consisting 15 people, 9 females and 6
males, declared Korff the overwhelming winner, by a margin of 13-2.

"I just think Mr. Kal Korff proved his case more convincingly. And Mr.
Winters admitted that Mr. Kal was right on many points." stated Brian Young,
one of the studio audience members who voted for Korff.

Although Korff was voted as having won the debate, two people expressed
disappointment. "I expected fireworks, fire and brimstone, that sort of
thing." exclaimed Sara Trujillo, one of the audience poll members. "Instead,
both Mr. Winters and Mr. Korff were very civilized to each other and I find
those kind of debates to be very boring."

What the Korff and Winters debate lacked in the form of verbal fireworks, it
more than made up for in a series of startling revelations about the Meier
case by Randolph Winters. To the surprise of both the SIGHTINGS show host,
Mr. Jeff Rense, and Kal Korff, Mr. Winters conceded that there were real
"problems" with some of the Meier evidence.

"I was pleasantly surprised that Mr. Winters admitted that Meier's photos of
the planet Venus are really images from the Mariner 10 spacecraft passed off
as 'real'. I was also surprised to hear Mr. Winters admit that he did not
believe in many of the so-called time-travel images that Meier claims he has
taken." stated Korff.

In another startling admission, Randolph Winters also conceded that he had
transcripts from Billy Meier's "visit" with "Jesus Christ" which Meier claims
took place at the age of 19. Winters voiced his skepticism of the account as
being true because he said it was full of egotistical remarks about Meier
himself, "probably written by Meier himself."

Winters also disclosed that he gave copies of Meier's "conversation" with
Jesus Christ to UFO researcher Dr. James Deardorff, who has written
extensively on the subject of the "Talmud Jmmanuel," the so-called "last
testament" of Christ.

"I found that revelation by Mr. Winters fascinating, because I am not aware
that Mr. Deardorff has ever shared this remarkable 'contact' with the public.
I now challenge Jim Deardorff to do so, and come forth with this information
that he apparently has. The public has a right to see this. Obviously, the
whole issue of this Talmud, and its' professed authenticity, must be judged
in part in consideration of this discussion Meier says he had with Jesus."
stated Kal Korff after the debate.

Winters also contradicted himself towards the end of the program, when he
denied Korff's charge that Meier runs a cult. However, after hearing several
examples cited by Korff of how Meier makes his followers "live their lives
according to the Pleiadians," and how they "control how many kids you can
have, when you can have them, and what the severe penalties are if you
violate their rules" he admiited that Korff was right. Korff also mentioned
that Meier's followers must give "10% of their salary every month to the
group," with Korff calling it "Pleiadian tithing."

Winters then admitted Korff was right on this point as well, and conceded
that he had left the Meier group himself after they tried to impose the very
same restrictions on him!

Although Winters was not available for interviews after the debate, Korff was
asked for his thoughts about the two hour affair.

"It was a very interesting debate from the standpoint that Winters admitted
and agreed with some of my research in my book that exposes Billy Meier. This
surprised me. The last time I saw him he was much more confrontational. But
for me, the real issue isn't who won or lost, it's the fact that the public
got to hear both sides of the case and now they can decide whatever they
will. I think this is what debates should be all about. I am glad it was not
an intense debate, nor a heated one. I simply went with its' flow."

At the conclusion of the show, Winters stated that he thought the core of the
Meier case was genuine but that much of the evidence surrounding the case has
indeed been faked.

The two ended the debate by restating their positions that the UFO subject
should be investigated fully and both admitted having had a sighting of an
unidentified flying object.

J. Randolf Winters' book supporting the Meier case is called "The Pleiadian
Mission: A Time of Awareness" and is privately-published by the Pleiades
Project.

Kal K. Korff's book exposing the Meier case is called "Spaceships of the
Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story" and is published by Prometheus Books.